Congestion pricing is a misnomer. This is a vendetta on automobiles. And
it is the kind of thinking that puts this mayor on the same trash heap of
history as Jimmy Carter and the metric system. It cuts too wide a swath to
be legitimate congestion pricing. LIRR peak/off is congestion pricing, and
if you are fair, it should apply to transit fares as well to encourage
employers to stagger work hours so there is less congestion. Why are you
building new convention centers if you penalise people for going to them?
They will become abandoned ruins commemorating the silliness of urban
verminage. I wonder how, if he has not been able to get the much simpler
plan of equalising bridge and tunnel tolls, how he will succeed in this. I
know plenty of people...

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

On Jun 9, 9:31 am, "George Conklin" earthlink.net>
wrote:

As will the limousine conservative. Or anyone with the bucks.
Anyone in a limo profits from this the most.

Chris

On Jun 9, 9:15 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:

On Jun 9, 9:31 am, "George Conklin" earthlink.net>
wrote:

What the fuck is a "limousine liberal," conky? It's now obvious to
nyc.transit why you are so hated in all those car groups that keep
getting crossposted here.

Limousines these days are used by high school kids and CEOs.

And they are hardly a significant traffic problem in NYC.

*+-The proposal is to continue to allow the perimeter "highways"
*+-toll-free, presumably for the purpose of accommodating through-
*+-traffic. Of course, the idea is also to move a lot of the Canal
*+-St. through-traffic to the Verrazano Narrows Bridge which is,
*+-you know, designed to handle it.

Good point. That may work. I knew someone who attended St Johns in Queens but
lived in Newark and commuted via Verazzano. I also know someone from Queens
who worked in Newark, and took the xBx, GWB. Yet all the cabs I ever
took went along Atlantic Av to Brooklyn Bridge.

So, might we conclude that equalising the bridge/tunnel fares would
help reduce traffic that is just going thru instead of to Manhattan?

How much?
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*+-It is a vendetta on automobiles ONLY for the average person. The limousine
*+-liberal will have no problems.

Interesting point. Now I stopped using car services (which I used heavily in
the 1990s) when all the new equipment trippled the rates. Since I was
self-employed, I knew what the tolls cost, they were separate.

Are you going to tell me the bean counters will not eventually notice these
things? The question here is what will their response be? Cut down on car
use? Move these people out of town.

Bloomberg's company has office in Princeton and at WFC/ML, for which they
have shuttle busses. In his case, will not such policy encourage his employes
to move closer to Princeton and take the shuttle busses to their Manhattan
offices? Eventually will Bloomberg not decide it's too costly to keep moving
people into the congestion pricing zone and permanently move them out of
Madhutden?

After 9/11 a lot of jobs moved out of town, NJ, Queens, Great Neck, Brooklyn.

*+-There are worse things to have vendettas against than automobiles. Cigars?

The first time I met Bloomberg at NYVG in 1993 he bragged that he got
ahead by being the first one in to light John Gutfriend's cigar in the
morning. So he's banning cigars to make sure no one else follows his path?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6903759.stm

The state assembly failed to meet a Monday deadline to apply for
federal aid of up to $500m for the plan as part of a pilot
programme to combat pollution and traffic congestion.

The mayor said it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do
something with someone else's money.

...

A recent poll found that 61%% of residents in New York City and
its surrounding suburbs were opposed to the plan, while
residents of Manhattan were almost split down the middle.

A critical editorial in the New York Sun tabloid newspaper
wondered how the mayor, whose plan was so easily thwarted at the
state level, would cope with a much larger Washington, DC
legislature.

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