> "The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and
> enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a
> metaphor by Christianized Black slaves. Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing by
> wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be a literal place such
> as in Ethiopia for Rastafari for example. For others, it has taken on a
> more spiritual meaning-a safe spiritual homeland, like in heaven, or a
> kind of peace of mind in one's present life."
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1J7uUSrgQ4
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>> "The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and
>> enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a
>> metaphor by Christianized Black slaves. Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing
>> by wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be a literal place
>> such as in Ethiopia for Rastafari for example. For others, it has taken
>> on a more spiritual meaning-a safe spiritual homeland, like in heaven, or
>> a kind of peace of mind in one's present life."
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>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1J7uUSrgQ4
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> A homeland for all....
> sounds seperatist. ...

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>>> "The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and
>>> enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a
>>> metaphor by Christianized Black slaves. Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing
>>> by wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be a literal place
>>> such as in Ethiopia for Rastafari for example. For others, it has taken
>>> on a more spiritual meaning-a safe spiritual homeland, like in heaven, or
>>> a kind of peace of mind in one's present life." ...

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>>> "The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and
>>> enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a
>>> metaphor by Christianized Black slaves. Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing
>>> by wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be a literal place
>>> such as in Ethiopia for Rastafari for example. For others, it has taken ...

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>>> "The Jewish longing for Zion, starting with the deportation and
>>> enslavement of Jews during the Babylonian captivity, was adopted as a
>>> metaphor by Christianized Black slaves. Thus, Zion symbolizes a longing
>>> by wandering peoples for a safe homeland. This could be a literal place
>>> such as in Ethiopia for Rastafari for example. For others, it has taken
>>> on a more spiritual meaning-a safe spiritual homeland, like in heaven,
>>> or a kind of peace of mind in one's present life."
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>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1J7uUSrgQ4
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>> K e v wrote:
>> For the moment (or for several minutes, if you like),
>> assume I'm dense. I got the Zion connection to the video,
>> but what were the pictures (mostly of poverty) in the video
>> meant to convey???

> THE natural response in fact. Anything else is forced, contrived,
> unreal, suppressed, oppressed....
> PC induced, ha.

> I recognize I can't do anything about it, but I can at least speak my
> mind. Can't I? Why is that 'wrong'?

> Actually, I'm for western civ...not race.

> You know, 'your culture' is an interesting concept really. We all exist
> under 'big tents' whereupon, though we gain identity by the groups we
> gravitate toward, no single group will ever be exactly all defining "as I
> think". "My culture" destroying the previous orders? Not sure what you
> mean exactly, but I assume you mean what the elites have done to the 'old
> world' traditional America? I think the movie 'Pleasantville' was an
> allegory played upon this idea of 'old world traditions' giving way to
> today's more chaotic 'red pill' reality. The Pleasantville I remember was
> not 'Leave it Beaver' stupidity, but more simply a common 'decency' where
> social order was better understood as a 'common sense' by all. You
> violate the 'decency', and consequences ensued, often outside of law. Law
> was a friend then though, looking the other way when codified explicity
> did not convey the true spirit of rightness against wrongness in our
> midst. Anyway, Pleasantville was a good place and a good time...for
> DECENT people. If one was not so decent...well, maybe they might have
> evolved to be movie producers who made movies like 'Pleasantville' [very
> anti-traditional world].
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> I like decency. Decency is MY friend. ...

>
> Hey Kev.  I don't like the race issue either...was raised to NOT think in
> terms of race.  But it is my opinion that we have now forced something way
> out of whack by trying to bury truth with wishful...