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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 7, 2008 11:27
*A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
As John Dominic Crossan, the liberal post Vatican II theologist
explains, the Jewish- Christian intra-tribal conflict/schism/rebellion/
competition-for-converts brought the Jews 15 hundred years of
tragedies when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, & hence the
Jews were "officially" demonized.
Therefore to understand Russian, German, Spanish, Polish and Eurpean
history overall, one
ought to understand the pol-soc-econ dynamics often confronting the
Jewish people.
For example: supposedly some European churches actually contained
graphics depicting Jews as pigs.
It's factual that plenty of the extremist Bolsheviks and moderate
Menshiviks (social democrats) were Jews,
This mitigation or rationalism certainly doesn't mean that I perceive
that Bolshevism-totalitarianism as good.
It is the historical dynamic that (imho) explains Bolshevism's
attraction for Jews.
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 7, 2008 16:58
Robert Cohen wrote:
> *A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
>
> As John Dominic Crossan, the liberal post Vatican II theologist
> explains, the Jewish- Christian intra-tribal conflict/schism/rebellion/
> competition-for-converts brought the Jews 15 hundred years of
> tragedies when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, & hence the
> Jews were "officially" demonized.
>
> Therefore to understand Russian, German, Spanish, Polish and Eurpean
> history overall, one
> ought to understand the pol-soc-econ dynamics often confronting the
> Jewish people.
>
> For example: supposedly some European churches actually contained
> graphics depicting Jews as pigs.
>
> It's factual that plenty of the extremist Bolsheviks and moderate ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 7, 2008 18:08
On Jul 7, 2:27 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> *A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
>
> As John Dominic Crossan, the liberal post Vatican II theologist
> explains, the Jewish- Christian intra-tribal conflict/schism/rebellion/
> competition-for-converts brought the Jews 15 hundred years of
> tragedies when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, & hence the
> Jews were "officially" demonized.
>
> Therefore to understand Russian, German, Spanish, Polish and Eurpean
> history overall, one
> ought to understand the pol-soc-econ dynamics often confronting the
> Jewish people.
>
> For example: supposedly some European churches actually contained
> graphics depicting Jews as pigs.
>
> It's factual that plenty of the extremist Bolsheviks and moderate ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 7, 2008 18:19
On Jul 7, 11:27 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> *A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
>
Pogrom is a form of riot directed against a particular group, whether
ethnic, religious or other, and characterized by destruction of their
homes, businesses and religious centres. Historically, the term as
used in English has very often been used to denote extensive violence
against Jews — either spontaneous or premeditated — but it has also
been applied to similar incidents against other, mostly minority,
groups. Pogroms are usually accompanied by physical violence against
the targeted people and even murder or massacre.
> One may characterize the Shoah/Holocaust/genocide as an extended,
> industrialized pogrom.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 7, 2008 18:30
On Jul 7, 2:27 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> *A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
>
> As John Dominic Crossan, the liberal post Vatican II theologist
> explains, the Jewish- Christian intra-tribal conflict/schism/rebellion/
> competition-for-converts brought the Jews 15 hundred years of
> tragedies when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, & hence the
> Jews were "officially" demonized.
>
> Therefore to understand Russian, German, Spanish, Polish and Eurpean
> history overall, one
> ought to understand the pol-soc-econ dynamics often confronting the
> Jewish people.
>
> For example: supposedly some European churches actually contained
> graphics depicting Jews as pigs.
>
> It's factual that plenty of the extremist Bolsheviks and moderate ...
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Author: BretCahillBretCahill Date: Jul 7, 2008 21:41
> One may characterize the Shoah/Holocaust/genocide as an extended,
> industrialized pogrom.
A more interesting characterization comes from DeTocqueville's general
idea on "general ideas."
In democratic ages it's impossible to keep track of every player so
general ideas become popular to explain everything. On the down side
democratic ages tend to abuse general ideas.
The "all Jews are bad" prejudice may be such an example.
In contrast aristocratic ages attribute everything to the "great man"
and ignore general ideas altogether.
Now it is possible to keep track of every player
-- kind of the poli
sci equivalent to computers solving the vis viva equation.
Or at least that's one optimistic POV.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 8, 2008 14:32
On Jul 7, 7:58 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
> Robert Cohen wrote:
>> *A memorable pun from the U.S. 1960s.
>
>
>> As John Dominic Crossan, the liberal post Vatican II theologist
>> explains, the Jewish- Christian intra-tribal conflict/schism/rebellion/
>> competition-for-converts brought the Jews 15 hundred years of
>> tragedies when the Roman Empire converted to Christianity, & hence the
>> Jews were "officially" demonized.
>
>> Therefore to understand Russian, German, Spanish, Polish and Eurpean
>> history overall, one
>> ought to understand the pol-soc-econ dynamics often confronting the
>> Jewish people.
>
>> For example: supposedly some European churches actually contained
>> graphics depicting Jews as pigs.
> ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 8, 2008 19:53
Robert Cohen wrote:
> DNA has reportedly genetically linked Yemenite Jews to eastern
> European a la a "Cohanim study."
I discussed the Ashkenazi, not the Sephardic Jews.
> And Barbara Streisand's famous nose ain't hardly Dutch.
Never implied that it was. http://daybrown.org/artifax/artifax.html
- down at the bottom of the page, you see the same noses. Only in this
case, these dudes lived on the East, not West, end of the Silk Road.
But to judge by the Chinese Silks they are wearing, got just as rich, if
not richer. That red hair is also commonly seen among Ashkenazi.
> While I do certainly concede that ashkenasic people are mixtures of
> peoples via diffusion, absorption, conversion, inter-breeding
Well certainly; but the Askenazi even moreso. Barford, for one,
notes it was the Khazar *elite*...
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