| Re: Wittgenstein on the Metaphysical Self |
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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: EdEd Date: Aug 24, 2008 07:07
On Aug 24, 1:24Â am, "andy-k" wrote:
> Ed wrote:
>> There is much I don't understand about epistemology. Â I can sort of
>> see the doubt about the external world but I don't understand the
>> certainty that the solipsist exixts. Â How could one demonstrate to
>> one's self that one is real?
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>> Perhaps "I" am a figment of someone elses imagination and so am no
>> more real than the putative external world. Â This may be naive, if so
>> point me at an argument.
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> I think that Witt present just such an argument when he says that
> "I am my world. (The microcosm.)" (5.63), Â "There is no such
> thing as the subject that thinks or entertains ideas" (5.631), and
> "The subject does not belong to the world: rather, it is a limit of the
> world" (5.632). So the answer to his rhetorical question "Where
> _in_ the world is a metaphysical subject to be found?" (5.633) is
> "nowhere" -- "The philosophical self is [...] the metaphysical subject,
> the limit of the world -- not a part of it" (5.641). The philosophical
> self, the metaphysical subject "shrinks to a point without extension,
> and there remains the reality co-ordinated with it" (5.64).
>
> So the answer to your question "How could one demonstrate to
> one's self that one is real?" is that there is no "subject that thinks
> or entertains ideas" (5.631) to whom that may be demonstrated --
> there is only "the world" (The microcosm), and any notion that this
> non-existent subject is "a figment of someone elses imagination"
> (and so is "no more real than the putative external world") is just
> another part of "the world" (The microcosm).
I'm still confused about "the world" and "my world". If I am the
limit of my world how does that map with your world? Are the limits
of your world identical with the limits of my world? If so, what an
amazing coincidence. I see you as "in" my world (and vice versa), but
each of us is the limit of our own world.
I don't read Witt as meaning the subject is non-existant per se;
instead I take him to mean that, as a metaphysical issue, the subject
cannot be both the limit of the world and "in" it at the same time.
The subject is non existant as member of "my world".
*If* one were a realist then the subject would exist.
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