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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Jul 30, 2007 13:38
Simple, so as they can manipulate reality, therefore the truth to mean
what ever they want it to mean.
To render reality meaningless.
Why would a Kantian want to argue that there are contradictions in
reality? (the oppsite position of objectivism)
Because clearly they want to make their own arbitrary contadictions,
within their own definitions, ideas and meanings accepted without
question.
Michael Gordge
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Author: Chris H. FlemingChris H. Fleming Date: Jul 31, 2007 02:05
On Jul 30, 4:38 pm, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:> Simple, so as they can manipulate reality, therefore the truth to mean
> what ever they want it to mean.
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> To render reality meaningless.
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> Why would a Kantian want to argue that there are contradictions in
> reality? (the oppsite position of objectivism)
They do? I want to see it.
> Because clearly they want to make their own arbitrary contadictions,
> within their own definitions, ideas and meanings accepted without
> question.
>
> Michael Gordge
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Jul 31, 2007 02:41
On Jul 31, 6:05 pm, "Chris H. Fleming" yahoo.com>
wrote:> On Jul 30, 4:38 pm, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>> Simple, so as they can manipulate reality, therefore the truth to mean
>> what ever they want it to mean.
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>> To render reality meaningless.
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>> Why would a Kantian want to argue that there are contradictions in
>> reality? (the oppsite position of objectivism)
>
> They do? I want to see it.
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Jul 31, 2007 03:18
On Jul 31, 10:56 am, kmurphy...@ houston.rr.com wrote:
Qualifying piffle snipped.
> The fact of the matter is this, it would be a huge accomplishment for
> everyone to realize that some of these absolute principles don't pan out due
> to the fact of literacy.
Literacy is ONLY the skill or the ability of man to use of man made
(invented) symbols. (concepts / words)
It is not possible for man made symbols (inventions of the mind) to
change or manipulate what exists in sensory reality regardless of
what's use or skill man makes of his symbols called words or concepts.
There are no contradictions in reality, because what is real is real,
the contradictions exist in man's identification of that which exists
in reality without contradiction.
Furthermore, you can not dispute that fact without using it as the
standard to do so, without contradiction.
Now fuck off back to church and pray for a better argument.
Michael Gordge
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Author: TimTim Date: Jul 31, 2007 04:02
> On Jul 31, 10:56 am, kmurphy...@ houston.rr.com wrote:
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> Qualifying piffle snipped.
> >> The fact of the matter is this, it would be a huge accomplishment for
>> everyone to realize that some of these absolute principles don't pan out
>> due
>> to the fact of literacy.
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> Literacy is ONLY the skill or the ability of man to use of man made
> (invented) symbols. (concepts / words)
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Ha haaaa. Literacy is something you can only dream of possessing, shagger.
What were you *trying to say*?
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Jul 31, 2007 04:07
On Jul 31, 8:02 pm, "Tim" qwerty.com> wrote:
\> What were you *trying to say*?
Which means that you cant explain how the skill of using man made
symbols (words / concepts) can manipulate reality.
MG
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Author: TimTim Date: Jul 31, 2007 05:17
> On Jul 31, 8:02 pm, "Tim" qwerty.com> wrote:
> \>> What were you *trying to say*?
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> Which means that you cant explain how the skill of using man made
> symbols (words / concepts) can manipulate reality.
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> MG
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Author: TimTim Date: Jul 31, 2007 05:22
> On Jul 31, 8:02 pm, "Tim" qwerty.com> wrote:
> \>> What were you *trying to say*?
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> Which means that you cant explain how the skill of using man made
> symbols (words / concepts) can manipulate reality.
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> MG
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No it does not. It means your original attempt at a statement failed since
what you scribbled does not stand as a grammatical sentence in the English
language. How could my asking a question of your writing skills possibly be
used to derive the statement: Tim can't explain how using language can
manipulate reality? How does the fact that you are illiterate bear on what I
do or don't know about language and reality?
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Author: S. JouannyS. Jouanny Date: Jul 31, 2007 11:16
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:38:52 -0700, Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:
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>Simple, so as they can manipulate reality, therefore the truth to mean
>what ever they want it to mean.
>To render reality meaningless.
Incorrect. A Kantian would *not* argue that reality could be
manipulated: If he is arguing as such he disagrees with what Kant says
about legitimate metaphysics: Legitimate metaphysics is limited by the
bounds of experience: Anything which speculates beyond that is
illegitimate ("The unconditioned cannot be thought of without
contradiction")
BXIX. Of course, you can manipulate things in reality, such as people
or ideas, which is why we might use the word "manipulative" about
certain people, but the reality itself cannot be manipulated and is
objective, according to Kant.
>Why would a Kantian want to argue that there are contradictions in
>reality? (the oppsite position of objectivism)
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