>>>>>> "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
>>>>>> fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first
>>>>>> existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher
>>>>>> consideration."
>>>>>> -- Lincoln
>
>>>>> Lincoln lived in a time when labor was much more of a fraction of
>>>>> production than it is now.
>
>>>> "Labor" includes more than just stacking boxes. It includes all kinds
>>>> of desk bound paper pusher services, accounting, law, music, writing,
>>>> high tech . . . .
>>> That is true *now*. пїЅ It was much less true *then*.
>> Introducing new types of labor hardly changes the truth of the Lincoln
>> quote.
> I have never encountered *anyone* who denies that labor
> is a declining factor of production before.
Here, we'll try again:
Introducing new types of labor hardly changes the truth of the Lincoln
quote.
> Surely it is
> clear that if one equal unit of labor produces
> N times as much as it did, the values system surrounding
> that labor must be different?
Well?
> If you are saying "labor is all there is"
Whoooa! No one said that!
What about land and other geo resources?
>, may I direct
> you to the show "How It's Made", where they show just
> how much *is* done by machines? Certainly, that's
> labor stored and leveraged, but this is a much more
> sophisticated arrangement, and "labor is all there is"
> is a gross oversimplification in nobody's self interest.
And?
>>> When they said
>>> "work" in 1830, they meant mainly in foot-pounds.
>> Even before then everyone was aware of steam replacing human
>> _physical_ labor.
> But nothing at all like what it is now.
Was there anything that would have changed Lincoln's philosophy?
>>>>> And his derivation is 100%% correct -
>>>>> capital without labor is utterly meaningless.
>>>>> To the tread title: a child asks "Mommy, why is there a Mother's
>>>>> Day and a Father's Day but there is no Children's Day?"
>>>>> "Because every day is children's day."
>>>> My mom tried that one on me back when I was a kid but later I found
>>>> out that in Mexico, an enlightened country, they do in fact, have a
>>>> children's day.
>>> Ah well.
>> Check out my new sig.
>
>> Bret Cahill
>> "Fun is the father of invention."
>
> I like that. Nice.
"Inversion of all values."
-- Nietzsche
That's where I got the title of the thread.
Bret Cahill
"Labor and capital, employer and employee, stand on equal basis before
this court."
-- The *Oakmar*
