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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: V
Date: Jan 12, 2008 07:31

On Jan 11, 8:51�pm, Igor The Terrible
mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> Stagnant wages. �Income gap. �Worthless dollar. �All the above....take
> your pick. �However, the bottom line is you are looking at a very thin
> market. �The new high mileage hybrids will be well out of the reach of
> the Wal-Mart/McDonald plant workers. �When you consider they will cost
> roughly $9,000.00 more than their gasoline powered counterparts that
> they can't even think of owning, where is the market.
>
> Now for those with more dollars and sense, what do you think they are
> going to be worth after you have owned them for a few years and the
> batteries will need replacing? �Your depreciation is going to wipe out
> any savings that you thought you might have
> realized.
>
> So get used to driving your gas hog--unless, of course, you can build
> your own fuel efficient vehicle.
>
> It is an absolute shame when the top 5%% won't buy 95%% of the goods and
> services in their own country. ...
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Uncle Fairy Dust
Date: Jan 12, 2008 08:01

On Jan 12, 3:31 pm, V aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 8:51�pm, Igor The Terrible
>
>
>
> mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>> Stagnant wages. �Income gap. �Worthless dollar. �All the above....take
>> your pick. �However, the bottom line is you are looking at a very thin
>> market. �The new high mileage hybrids will be well out of the reach of
>> the Wal-Mart/McDonald plant workers. �When you consider they will cost
>> roughly $9,000.00 more than their gasoline powered counterparts that
>> they can't even think of owning, where is the market.
>
>> Now for those with more dollars and sense, what do you think they are
>> going to be worth after you have owned them for a few years and the
>> batteries will need replacing? �Your depreciation is going to wipe out
>> any savings that you thought you might have
>> realized.
>
>> So get used to driving your gas hog--unless, of course, you can build ...
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jan 12, 2008 08:36

We have two curves: the exponential increase in fuel costs vs the
asymptotic increase in fuel efficiency.

The most out-of-touch pathetic response yet to fuel costs is GM
spending the next 7 years developing an engine that gets 15%% better
fuel economy when the cost of fuel goes up 30%% every year.

We need to start electrifying everything now while we still have a
half way functional economy. Everything will have to come off the
grid sooner or later anyway.

Bret Cahill
>> Stagnant wages. �Income gap. �Worthless dollar. �All the above....take
>> your pick. �However, the bottom line is you are looking at a very thin
>> market. �The new high mileage hybrids will be well...
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OT: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: satyr
Date: Jan 12, 2008 08:41

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:31:56 -0800 (PST), V aol.com> wrote:
>On Jan 11, 8:51?pm, Igor The Terrible
>mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>> Stagnant wages. ?Income gap. ?Worthless dollar. ?All the above....take
>> your pick. ?However, the bottom line is...
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Re: OT: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jan 12, 2008 09:38

Sooner or later all vehicles will rely on electric drives. They need
to do _something_ to get electric motors in vehicles even if all it is
is tossing a motor in the back seat.

Bret Cahill
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Igor The Terrible
Date: Jan 12, 2008 13:53

On Jan 12, 10:31 am, V aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 8:51�pm, Igor The Terrible
>
>
>
> mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>> Stagnant wages. �Income gap. �Worthless dollar. �All the above....take
>> your pick. �However, the bottom line is you are looking at a very thin
>> market. �The new high mileage hybrids will be well out of the reach of
>> the Wal-Mart/McDonald plant workers. �When you consider they will cost
>> roughly $9,000.00 more than their gasoline powered counterparts that
>> they can't even think of owning, where is the market.
>
>> Now for those with more dollars and sense, what do you think they are
>> going to be worth after you have owned them for a few years and the
>> batteries will need replacing? �Your depreciation is going to wipe out
>> any savings that you thought you might have
>> realized.
>
>> So get used to driving your gas hog--unless, of course, you can build ...
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Jerry Okamura
Date: Jan 12, 2008 14:35

"Bret Cahill" aol.com> wrote in message
news:e4b2101f-478c-4363-812c-b3c76026cd8d@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
We have two curves: the exponential increase in fuel costs vs the
asymptotic increase in fuel efficiency.

The most out-of-touch pathetic response yet to fuel costs is GM
spending the next 7 years developing an engine that gets 15%% better
fuel economy when the cost of fuel goes up 30%% every year.

We need to start electrifying everything now while we still have a
half way functional economy. Everything will have to come off the
grid sooner or later anyway.

Bret Cahill

Why?
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Rick Brandt
Date: Jan 13, 2008 07:17

timeOday wrote:
> Bret Cahill wrote:
> I guess you have watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" too. After
> watching that, I am convinced that GM is absolutely committed to
> fighting and literally dying for the status quo. They are so
> backwards. Even with the trillion dollar oil subsidy of the Iraq war
> they can't turn a buck in the modern reality.

Are you aware that GM is introducing a new all electric?
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: Steven L.
Date: Jan 13, 2008 08:34

Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
> "Bret Cahill" aol.com> wrote in message
> news:e4b2101f-478c-4363-812c-b3c76026cd8d@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> We have two curves: the exponential increase in fuel costs vs the
> asymptotic increase in fuel efficiency.
>
> The most out-of-touch pathetic response yet to fuel costs is GM
> spending the next 7 years developing an engine that gets 15%% better
> fuel economy when the cost of fuel goes up 30%% every year.
>
> We need to start electrifying everything now while we still have a
> half way functional economy. Everything will have to come off the
> grid sooner or later anyway.
>
>
> Bret Cahill
>
>
> Why? ...
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Re: Why the hybrid car racket will fail.         


Author: BAM
Date: Jan 13, 2008 09:27

"Rick Brandt" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> timeOday wrote:
>> Bret Cahill wrote:
>> I guess you have watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" too. After
>> watching that, I am convinced that GM is absolutely committed to
>> fighting and literally dying for the status quo. They are so
>> backwards. Even with the trillion dollar oil subsidy of the Iraq war
>> they can't turn a buck in the modern reality.
>
> Are you aware that GM is introducing a new all electric?

How about the Tata Nano? $2,500 and 50 mpg.

Interest groups are already screaming that by making vehicles so cheap, it
will increase the number of persons that own cars, and pollution will
increase.

No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-.................

It means that poor people will get rid of their old gas guzzling bombs, and
with a few hundred bucks can finance a new car, fuel efficient, with a $50 a
month finance payment.
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