On Aug 5, 11:33Â pm, Art
zilch.com> wrote:> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:24:02 -0700 (PDT), "bigflet...@
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> The way I look at it, one must sidestep the censor in all of us. The
> censor automatically blocks ideas that are contrary to our beliefs.
> It's a tyrant.
Beliefs, of themselves, are confrontational. We each have to overcome
confrontation, so in that sense, I see what you describe as a tyrant
is analogous the Lou Gosset jnr role in An Officer And A Gentleman. I
still feel intense emotoin when I recall him saluting the Richard Gere
character at the end. The incredible respect that can only be
recognised after incredible conflict.
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> I don't blame "thinking". I blame reasoning from false premises.
Blame is itself a false premise. Although we are thinking in the now,
it impossible to be thinking of 'now'. All thinking is involved with
the past or future, both of which are illusiory.
> Thinking (to my way of thinking :)) is vital to any kind of
> endeavor, at least initially. Worship of the intellectual
> faculty and limiting beliefs are stumbling blocks. Â
Agreed, Worship is synonimous with attatchment. Holding on to
'cherished' beliefs. Stumbling is par for the course. Â Â
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> It's interesting that physics has progressed from Newton's
> proclamation that "time is a absolute that flows from God" to
> relativity and now almost to abandoning time as a fundamental
> assumption. Physicists seem on the verge at least of being
> able to explain how time (motion, change, clocks) arises. This
> is a example of how science is capable of abandoning old
> entrenched beliefs, dogmas and false premises.
LIke the graph curve that gets exponentially closer to the base line,
it never connects. The scientist does, spiritually, just as any one
else will, but science is in the business of searching, not finding.It
is a mind exercise. As you point out, there is now a concept of
parallel universes.
No news to the spiritual avatar.
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> I say that one must begin with the _thought_ Â or _idea_
> that ones ordinary sense of time is illusory. One must begin
> with the thought that he/she does not necessarily have to
> be a slave to the naive notion of a time line ... that the
> psyche knows better ... and one can experience what
> timelessness is like if he/she chooses to do so. Of course,
> people who are mystically inclined do this naturally.
For the sake of clear identification, the term 'imagine' is what you
are referring to. Non other than Einstein felt the need to point that
out.
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>>Thinking is also the source of all anxiety, and why certain yoga
>>practices are recognised as 'stress relievers' from a scientific
>>understanding.Evidence of progress always starts with evidence of
>>overcoming obstacles.
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> Seems to me that fear of future events causes anxieties, not
> thinking per se.
See how that ties in with the comment re past and future?
Anxiety disipates proportionally to spiritual awakening. I am therefor
I think. Of course that could also apply to religious delusions, whch
are also important steps
>In fact, thinking certain thoughts will relieve
> anxieties and stress ...
If you look at thinking in the form of a projected sine wave, you have
identified the crossing of the centre line, which is why such feelings
come regularly, regardless of circumstance
>unless the brain is diseased and a person is
> suffering anxiety attacks, in which case I'd advise seeing a
> shrink and getting on meds for awhile :)
A week with turtoni or zinnic would be better. They would realize how
advanced they are :-)
(Ducks for cover :-)
BOfL
