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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 6, 2008 13:41
...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
philosophy alone...
'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship or
ships. The captain is larger and stronger than any of the crew, but a
bit deaf and short-sighted, and doesn't know much about navigation...
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Mar 6, 2008 13:56
On Mar 6, 3:41 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> ...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
> political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
> philosophy alone...
>
> 'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship or
> ships. The captain is larger and stronger than any of the crew, but a
> bit deaf and short-sighted, and doesn't know much about navigation.
> The crew are quarrelling with each other about how to navigate the
> ship, each thinking he ought to be at the helm; they know no
> navigation and cannot say that anyone ever taught it them, or that
> they spent any time studying it; indeed they say it can't be taught
> and are ready to murder any one who says it can. They spend all their
> time milling around the captain and trying to get him to give them the
> wheel. If one faction is more successful then another, their rivals
> may kill them and throw them overboard, lay out the honest captain
> with drugs and drink, take control of the ship, help themselves to
> what's on board, and behave as if they were on a drunken pleasure-
> cruise. Finally, they reserve their admiration for the man who knows
> how to lend a hand in controlling the captain by force or fraud; they ...
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Author: ArtArt Date: Mar 6, 2008 14:59
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:41:48 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
>political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
>philosophy alone...
From memory of Plato's ideas:
1. The governing body was open to anyone of either sex.
2. The preparation was long and arduous, and it included
doing a stint in the marketplace working as a artisan, etc...
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Author: presidentbyamendmentpresidentbyamendment Date: Mar 6, 2008 17:00
On Mar 6, 4:56 pm, Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:> On Mar 6, 3:41 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> ...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
>> political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
>> philosophy alone...
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>> 'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship or
>> ships. The captain is larger and stronger than any of the crew, but a
>> bit deaf and short-sighted, and doesn't know much about navigation.
>> The crew are quarrelling with each other about how to navigate the
>> ship, each thinking he ought to be at the helm; they know no
>> navigation and cannot say that anyone ever taught it them, or that
>> they spent any time studying it; indeed they say it can't be taught
>> and are ready to murder any one who says it can. They spend all their
>> time milling around the captain and trying to get him to give them the ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Mar 6, 2008 19:21
> ...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
> political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
> philosophy alone...
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> 'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship
A ship isn't a democracy.
If you don't like the master, you jump ship in the next port.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Are earwigs gnawing at McCain's brain?Are earwigs gnawing at McCain's brain? Date: Mar 6, 2008 19:35
Ha ha ha. Philosopher king. Leo Strauss is dead and so is
nonsensical view of politics.
By the way, your logic is flawed. No where in your analogy do you
show how the capable man can be equated to the philosopher.
Once again, Leo Strauss and his bizarre and insane view of politics is
dead. Go back to the library and read your dusty tomes and leave the
real world alone.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Mar 6, 2008 20:08
> Ha ha ha. �Philosopher king. �Leo Strauss is dead and so is
> nonsensical view of politics.
Leo Strauss isn't the problem. The neocons being dumb as a plate of
noodles is the problem.
> By the way, your logic is flawed. �No where in your analogy do you
> show how the capable man can be equated to the philosopher.
Or how the neocons can be equated with Strauss.
Bret Cahill
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 6, 2008 23:08
On Mar 6, 5:00 pm, presidentbyamendment email.com>
wrote:> On Mar 6, 4:56 pm, Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Mar 6, 3:41 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> ...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
>>> political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
>>> philosophy alone...
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>>> 'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship or
>>> ships. The captain is larger and stronger than any of the crew, but a
>>> bit deaf and short-sighted, and doesn't know much about navigation.
>>> The crew are quarrelling with each other about how to navigate the
>>> ship, each thinking he ought to be at the helm; they know no
>>> navigation and cannot say that anyone ever taught it them, or that ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 6, 2008 23:25
On Mar 6, 7:21 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:>> ...there are some who are naturally fitted for philosophy and
>> political leadership, while the rest should follow their lead and let
>> philosophy alone...
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>> 'Suppose the following to be the state of affairs on board a ship
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> A ship isn't a democracy.
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Niether is the USA and democracy, it is a constitutional republic;
Is our form of government a democracy? Not correct: the US Federal
government is what is termed a 'constitutional republic'. The
distinction between a constitutional republic and a democracy is very
significant.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Mar 6, 2008 23:27
On Mar 6, 7:35 pm, "Are earwigs gnawing at McCain's brain?"
gmail.com> wrote:> Ha ha ha. Philosopher king. Leo Strauss is dead and so is
> nonsensical view of politics.
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> By the way, your logic is flawed. No where in your analogy do you
> show how the capable man can be equated to the philosopher.
>
> Once again, Leo Strauss and his bizarre and insane view of politics is
> dead. Go back to the library and read your dusty tomes and leave the
> real world alone.
"Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and
is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the
acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived...
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