> On 25 Jun, 04:25, "Sean"
bro.org> wrote:>> "zinnic"
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>> On Jun 22, 11:15 pm, "Sean" bro.org> wrote:
>>>>> Late reply toZinnic
>>
>>> "zinnic"
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>>> ZINNICSaid::
>>
>>> Sean, we are on different planets. You are so full of hope that there
>>> is more to life than life itself, ore to mind than to mind itself and
>>> more to brain function than brain function itself
>>> So spare a tear for us poor folk that have no soul to guide our
>>> mind!
>>> However pity us no more than you pity insects that do not possess a
>>> nervous system capable of analysing your thesis. To each of us
>>> according to that with which we are endowed! I guess the 'Endower'
>>> has a role for us all!
>>
>>> Good luck in your search for certainty in what I believe is an
>>> infinite uncertainty. IMO the only certainty is personal oblivion. Our
>>> substance may 'experience' eternity by continued physical interaction
>>> (whatever that means), but the snowflake of our consciousness
>>> (whatever that means) loses all significance as it melts into the
>>> torrent of existence (whatever that means).
>>> One thing is certain, the flower that once bloomed forever dies.Zinnic
>>
>>> SEAN:
>>
>>> HiZinnic, The Soulless One! :-)
>>
>>> My goodness you can be such a depressive with your outlook. Been there
>>> and
>>> done that, so really I doi understand. "what all this horseshit called
>>> life
>>> on earth?"
>>
>> Yep, been there in spades.
>>
>>> Nevertheless, I am still here, one foot after the other. ;-)
>>
>> Never felt that my life was horseshit, though many who hear of my
>> experiences as a child cannot understand why I should not.
>>
>>
>>
>>> But yes "to each according to that with which they are endowed" ....
>>> nothing
>>> wrong in that imho.
>>
>>> Though I wonder why you bring up the notion of "certainty", you do that
>>> a
>>> lot, as if I am certain about everything. I am not, the details are
>>> extremely vague mate, but the experiences, the shared expereinces, the
>>> insights are person specific. I do not know why I am endowed with such
>>> interests/experiences but I am. I can only report on what "makes sense
>>> to
>>> me" .... a FM radio sending out music makes sense to me too. E=MC2
>>> makes
>>> sense to me too! As does the huge explosion, not to mention that humans
>>> would use it for a weapon vs energy and additional research.
>>
>>> Indeed it also makes sense that the expression of life in a flower
>>> would
>>> bloom and pass. even forever. But what made that flower bloom in the
>>> first
>>> place keeps making other flowers bloom, and keeps allowing humans to
>>> make
>>> different varieties of new flowers. That is Life. Life is .... even
>>> when
>>> we
>>> do not comprehend it, it;s ways, it;s powers, or it's reasonings.
>>
>>> iow do we really need to comprehend all of IT, in order to enjoy it and
>>> be
>>> one with it? I don't think so, but I'm not certain of that either.
>>>
>>
>> Basically we are in agreement except re my view of mortality
>> No, we do not need to comprehend all. We only need to come to terms
>> with the fact of our mortality. That the flower that once bloomed
>> does not survive in a flower 'afterlife' but terminates and is
>> replaced by a new flower that is likewise replaced.
>> I believe that if we all accepted our mortality more emphasis would be
>> placed on improving the lifestyles of those among us who are less
>> fortunate.
>> I am reconciled to my intepretation of man's mortality and put my
>> 'faith' in 'ignorance is bliss'. My termination will result in
>> absolute ignorance and, therefore, absolute bliss. A state "to be
>> devoutly desired". A state that I hope also lies in your future.
>> Otherwise, I wish you the best of luck in your spiritual future.
>> You should not be depressed by my beliefs with regard to the real
>> mortality of man. We are both disbelievers, you of my beliefs, I of
>> your beliefs. Neither you nor I know (except for me!)
>> Zinnic
>> :-)
>> zinnic
>>
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>>
>> Sean:
>> am not sure why my newsreader won;t do the >'s properly. another mystery
>> of
>> life! :-)
>>
>> acceptance of our mortality is [ or can be ] a very positive thing and
>> can
>> make all the difference in "our" world/s. It really is a simple thing
>> afterall is said and done. Whilst I accept there is a kind of
>> "continuance"
>> this *belief* also has led to much discord, incredible
>> mis-understandings,
>> and extreme abuses of power over others. I do not support such notions. I
>> do
>> not accept as noble or useful the endless manipulations that religions
>> have
>> imposed on the naive in that regard. Our focus should be on where we are
>> at,
>> in the here and now ... and if we are here, now, then that is where our
>> attention is best placed to make each of our lives as worthwhile as
>> possible.
>>
>> That being said, we all have variations in our starting point
>> circumstances.
>> imho, it;s what we do with that that is most important, and that should
>> always be an individuals right to choose for themselves. There is no
>> "right"
>> way, or best way, or correct approach. What works for me, may not work
>> for
>> you. neither is "wrong" here.
>>
>> imho, of course. ;-)
>>
>> thx sean
>
> You have to accept the possibility that a proposition can be wrong or
> else there is chaos, stasis and inertia. We might as well go back to
> the dark ages if we are to accept all points of view and belief as
> truth.
> Your own assertion that religion is often an abuse of power has no
> force if you are to simply accept that all truth is equally valid.
>
>
>
PS here's an example of getting the "perspective" out.
It said that Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the light".
Just about all Christians "interpret" that to mean that only by following
Jesus, and believing he is God on earth etc etc will one find the way, the
truth and the light.
Well this is not so, this is a mis-understanding of what he was said to have
said. He didn't mean that, he said what he said, but there's a total blank
[ maybe from re-editing the words into what people "thought" he meant.]
This is where the trouble comes from "religion" and why so many, such as
yourself have difficulty in separating out the difference between
"spirituality", and spiriual knowledge from the religious dogma.
Fact is, Jesus weasn't the first to say such a thing, it is recorded all
over in all continents by those who could be called "spiritual masters" or
teachers.
What he more likely actually said was that "The I AM is the way, the truth,
and the light".
What he also meant, was that he, his real identity, "I AM", is the way, etc.
This means that when I speak in the first person "I am the way, the truth
and the light" .... and fwiw "you are the way, the truth and the light."
But this FAR removed from what people think, or believe, be they deeply
religious christians, or people like yourself who believe you know what is
meant by what is written in things like the Bible, and confuse the
personality figures that are believed to be "god" and what God really is.
However, the way to find out, is to "know yourself" [ as per Pythagorus and
Socrates] and when you do you will realise that knowing your "I Am" and what
it means .... is the Way, the Truth, and the Light.
IOW you are Light. That is the Truth ..... one day you will see that, but
how can an eye see itself?
That is the difficulty.
One other thing ..... even if you are The Truth ... that doesn't mean that
right now you know it, or that everything you think or believe is in itself
True.
However, by being true to yourself, you cannot but make progress in
uncovering what THE Truth really is ... all roads lead to rome, and there;s
hundreds of other sayings from every culture that just like Jesus try to
point people in the "right direction" or what is known as The Way.
If you're interested, then by all means learn up on the The Way, be it
Essene, or Taoist, eg if you want to know what Jesus was on about then read
some of the older texts, such as The Gospel of Peace series. But still, one
needs wisdom and the abandonment of existing beliefs about Jesus via the
Christians to grasp what is being said.
basically it;s a semantics issue, and a language issue, some things simply
cannot be adequately put into words when one speaks about such things. That
is an endless problem, and why simple using "reason and intelligence" to wor
it all out is not enough. One needs to discover "I AM", and comprehend
what's going on.
When one does there is no longer any reall problem of comprehending the
confusion over matter and spirit, and why they are basically the exact same
thing, as you are.
Or I AM.
Confusing huh? Then read up on it, the diections on The Way are out there,
always have been.
and cheers
