> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:31:49 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net>
> wrote:
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>>>>>"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
>>>>>fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by
>>>>>a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned
>>>>>men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a
>>>>>sufferer but as a fighter."
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess who said the above? There is as much evidence Hitler was a
>>>>>Christian as that he was not. He does seem to believe in some type of
>>>>>God so to profess that Hitler was an atheist is very dubious at best.

>>>>
>>>>You make my point. Politics has people saying all sorts of untruths. As
>>>>I said.

>>>
>>>
>>>....and all the good little Christians just went along. Says much more
>>>about religion than politics. And there are a great many including
>>>yourself who's love to see the two go hand in hand in the US.

>>
>>Sheephood is not restricted to a specific class.

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> Open wide and say baaaa.

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>>>>>>>Most political and religious leaders throughout history have had no
>>>>>>>troulble killing millions of people----especially religious leaders.
>>>>>>>Religion has everything to do with terrorism Anyone who doesn't
>>>>>>>understand that has never been exposed to a decent history course or
>>>>>>>history book.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyone who takes history courses and books at face value needs a
>>>>>>tutorial in reality.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So you're going to rewrite history to rationalize your ignorance?
>>>>>Figures!

>>>>
>>>>Ignorance is taking necessarily biased accounts of history at face value.

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>>>
>>>Biased acount of what?

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>>History. Learn to read.

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>
> Now tell us all exactly which history you're referring to? Crusades,
> Inquisition, pogroms, or the Holocaust. All of which occurred as a
> result of religion or hatred against another religion. Refute it.

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>

>> But I do understand your mindset - it's made up
>>

>>>and gets confused when faced with historical fact(s).

>>
>>What is an "historical fact"?

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>
> I guess you really are ignorant as a log. But let me give you one
> anyway. In the late 1400's in Spain the monarchs got together with the
> church to burn and torture 'heretics' who either would not accept
> Christ or would not confess their 'sins'.

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>

>>>>>>>And we must not exclude the Jewish leaders---including the main Man
>>>>>>>himself . G-d that is.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm... the obligatory anti God hysteria.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anti-God hysteria. The burden of proof is on the believers - not on
>>>>>the non-believers. Now prove to us all that there is a God. Hint -
>>>>>Kant couldn't and you can't.

>>>>
>>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof enough.

>>>
>>>
>>>God is a belief made up by humans to try and explain what they don't
>>>understand and to use as a crutch in time of need. Don't confuse your
>>>faith with the physical world. It's inane, ignorant, and far from any
>>>truth.

>>
>>Nice rant. You should give it from your pulpit.

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>
> Not a rant Giles God-boy. That reference just went right over your
> tiny brain.

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>>>>>>>SEE Atrocities in the Bible. Shalom aleichem
>>>>>>>http://thetruth.hypermart.net/bible/atrocities.htm

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Absolute exploitative insanity.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Excuse me - it's in the Bible and isn't everything in the Bible God's
>>>>>honest truth?

>>>>
>>>>To what in the Bible do you refer? If all you're going to do is
>>>>regurgitate garbage from that Jew hating web site you'll be engaging in
>>>>a conceptually irrelevant act.

>>>
>>>
>>>Just who are you talking to? Apparently not me as I've said nothing
>>>nor referenced anything which has to do with Judaism or its adherents.
>>>Try and stay on point. BTW - Judaism is much more on point than
>>>Xtianity. At least there's some real history attached to it.

>>
>>Yes, I'm talking to you, that should be obvious. Your use of a Jew
>>hating website to promote your own religious ideology makes clear your
>>agenda. I suggest you pay attention to what you write.

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> Wasn't me Bozo - try looking before you leap to conclusions.

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>>>>>>>Also see:
>>>>>>>http://www.geocities.com/shatila1982/masspictures.html

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Arab propaganda.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, right. And the Holocaust was Jewish propaganda foisted off by
>>>>>the Rothschilds as truth. And the Inquisition was just a pop quiz. And
>>>>>the Crusades a cruise on Holland-America. And pogroms were cheerleader
>>>>>props.

>>>>
>>>>Denial suits you.

>>>
>>>
>>>Excuse me - denial of what? Or don't you understand sarcasm. Try
>>>hitting yourself upside the head and jumpstarting your brain.

>>
>>Denial comes in the form of you thinking sarcasm hides the fact that you
>>use arab propaganda to further your agenda?

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> Exactly what Arab propaganda is that. I didn't reference any site.

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>>>>>PS - you and the Muslims have the exact same God.

>>>>
>>>>Bull.

>>>
>>>
>>>There's more than one? Oh, I know what you're saying. Your God's
>>>better than their God.

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>>No. I said they are not the same God.

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> Okay - so now there's more than one.

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>>>>>>>Catholics today all try to repudiate Adolf Hitler and deny that he was
>>>>>>>a fellow Roman Catholic. But this was definitely not the case so long
>>>>>>>as he was in power, In fact, Hitler could not have come to power
>>>>>>>without the assistance of the Vatican and the German Catholic Church>
>>>>>>>So long as Adolf Hitler was in power, his Roman Catholic Church never
>>>>>>>questioned his Catholicism - at least not in public - which is where
>>>>>>>it mattered politically.--- just as no one questions GW Bush's
>>>>>>>Christianity
>>>>>>>--- at least not in public - which is where it matters politically.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hitler could not have come to power without the support of the people,
>>>>>>no matter their religious or anti religious affiliations.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course - your point is?

>>>>
>>>>Read what you wrote above.

>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't write it, God boy.

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>>Ooh, ouch - 'God boy'. Antagonism suits you.
>>
>>

>>>

>>>>>>>A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never
>>>>>>>tolerant. At the least, he is to feel pity for the adherent of another
>>>>>>>religion but usually it does not stop there. The faithful adherent of
>>>>>>>a religion will try first of all to convince those that believe in
>>>>>>>another religion and usually he goes on to hatred if he is not
>>>>>>>successful. However, hatred then leads to persecution when the might
>>>>>>>of the majority is behind it. In the case of a Christian clergyman,
>>>>>>>the tragic-comical is found in this: that the Christian religion
>>>>>>>demands love from the faithful, even love for the enemy. This demand,
>>>>>>>because it is indeed superhuman, he is unable to fulfill. Thus
>>>>>>>intolerance and hatred ring through the oily words of the clergyman.
>>>>>>>The love, which on the Christian side is the basis for the
>>>>>>>conciliatory attempt towards Judaism is the same as the love of a
>>>>>>>child for a cake. That means that it contains the hope that the object
>>>>>>>of the love will be eaten up...

>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have just described the mental and physical behaviors of believers
>>>>>>in the atheist religion.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Atheism is a religion? Beep - wrong. Nobody's out there signing up
>>>>>converts.

>>>>
>>>>Bull. Atheism evangelizes. Or have you no idea of your fundamentalist,
>>>>evangelical devotion to your own religion.

>>>
>>>
>>>Religion explicitly entails a belief in some higher being. The belief
>>>that this fairy tale is not real does not constitute any type of
>>>religious belief. Personally if I were to adhere to any religion, it
>>>would be centered around Astarte and natural phenomena.

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>>The operative word in the above is "I". The 'higher being' you believe
>>in religiously is self. I suggest you digest what you write before posting.

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>
> Take a few Zantac - might help with your (reading) digestion. What I
> said does not imply any belief in 'self'. Nice try God-boy.

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>>>>>>>Letter to Rabbi Solomon Goldman of Chicago's Anshe Emet Congregation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"If I would follow your advice and Jesus could perceive it, he, as a
>>>>>>>Jewish teacher, surely would not approve of such behavior."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Reply to a Roman Catholic student urging him to pray to Jesus Christ,
>>>>>>>the Virgin Mary, and convert to Christianity.
>>>>>>>--- Albert Einstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>". I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not
>>>>>>>believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And
>>>>>>>if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that he would have such
>>>>>>>an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt his existence."
>>>>>>>--- Bertrand Russell

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Russel the moron.

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yup - Roy's the perfect ignorant Xtian - his mind's made up. Everyone
>>>>>who doesn't believe in his brand of Xtianity is a moron. This includes
>>>>>Russell, Kant, Einstein, Darwin, Galileo, and a cast of thousands.
>>>>>Pretty good company. If there ever was a Jesus, (there's no proof of
>>>>>his existence except for a footnote in an archaic text that refers to
>>>>>a Christos) he'd be much more at home with those folks than with a
>>>>>bunch of narrow-minded bigots.

>>>>
>>>>Typical atheist zealot's rant.

>>>
>>>
>>>You really feel that Jesus existed? I can understand many believing in
>>>God - please note belief and not fact. What I can't understand is
>>>belief in an nonexistent individual born of a virgin (made up 300
>>>years after the fact), deemed divine (made up 300 years after the
>>>fact), and later used as an excuse to torture and kill those who
>>>didn't wish to follow. Yup - makes perfect sense.

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>>I am not xian.

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> That might be true(not) but you are the real thing - a genuine idiot.