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Author: Immortalist
Date: Sep 3, 2007 13:11

>>From the philosophical point of view, the idea that these mutations,
>
> which have such far-reaching implications, take place naturally is
> unproblematic, but that they are purely random strikes me as
> unsatisfying. It leaves open the question of whether this randomness
> is best understood as an objective feature of reality or better
> understood as indicating some kind of hidden causality. (P. 104)
>

I would suppose that most researchers who deal with the causes of
mutations would not claim that they were random. Instead they would
agree that the "errors" that take place when DNA changes of mutates
have particular causes, like some interference with the process by
events in the environment, which get in the way of replication of the
DNA molecules. Maybe they would go as far as to say that there is a
bit more randomness involved that the degree of randomness involved
with macromolecular duplication.
> Second, he rejects the idea that the mind is not real and that
> therefore consciousness is an illusion. Many people do not realize
> that a central axiom of materialist science is that the mind is merely
> a buzz created by the neurons, with no real power to affect anything.
> That is, the materialist is not just saying that there is no God, he
> is also saying that there is no you. But the Lama does realize that.
> Indeed, he was forced to, in a dialogue with a materialist scientist
> that he recounts in Single Atom,
>

I doubt if the researchers who believe that the self is identical with
the activities of the brain would construct the further argument based
upon it that something is an illusion. Not all scientists accept
particular aspects of materialist philosophy and hence it is a straw
man argument.
> I said to one of the scientists: "It seems very evident that due to
> changes in the chemical processes of the brain, many of our subjective
> experiences like perception and sensation occur. Can one envision to
> reversal of this causal process? Can one postulate that pure thought
> itself could effect a change in the chemical processes of the brain?"
> I was asking whether, conceptually at least, we could allow the
> possibility of both upward and downward causation.
>
> The scientist's response was quite surprising. He said that since all
> mental states arise from physical states, it is not possible for
> downward causation to occur. Although out of politeness, I did not
> respond at the time, I thought then and still think that here is as
> yet no scientific basis for such a categorical claim. The view that
> all mental processes are necessarily physical processes is a
> metaphysical assumption, not a scientific fact. I feel that, in the
> spirit of scientific inquiry, it is critical that we allow the
> question to remain open, and not conflate our assumptions with
> empirical fact. (p. 128)
>

It seems like he draws a conclusion about a vast population of
scientists based on a sample that is biased or prejudiced in some
manner, in this case, one example of a scientist who doesn't believe
in the interaction of top-down and bottom-up causation, to represent
the views of millions of researchers, worldwide, who take variouse and
graded positions upon sytems theory such as this.

A sample is biased or loaded when the method used to take the sample
is likely to result in a sample that does not adequately represent the
population from which it is drawn.

Biased samples are generally not very reliable. As a blatant case,
imagine that a person is taking a sample from a truckload of small
colored balls, some of which are metal and some of which are plastic.
If he used a magnet to select his sample, then his sample would
include a disproportionate number of metal balls (after all, the
sample will probably be made up entirely of the metal balls). In this
case, any conclusions he might draw about the whole population of
balls would be unreliable since he would have few or no plastic balls
in the sample.

The general idea is that biased samples are less likely to contain
numbers proportional to the whole population. For example, if a person
wants to find out what most Americans thought about gun control, a
poll taken at an NRA meeting would be a biased sample.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html
> As a Buddhist, he places a great deal of emphasis on the idea that the
> universe is top down, not bottom up. To him, the mind is real and
> creative. It is independent of matter. On that, he is not prepared to
> budge, as his reacton to the scientist shows. He writes further,
>

Science should not be biased by any particular religious view. Science
research should be ready for any evidence that comes up, not just what
confirms some dogma.
> In order for the study of consciousness to be complete, we need a
> methodology that would account not only for what is occurring at the
> neurological and biochemical levels but also for the subjective
> experience of consciousness itself. Even when combined, neuroscience
> and behavioral psychology do not shed enough light on the subjective
> experience, as both approaches still place primary importance on the
> objective, third-person perspective. Contemplative traditions on the
> while have historically emphasized subjective, first-person
> investigation of the nature and functions of consciousness, by
> training the mind to focus in a disciplined way on its own internal
> states. (P. 141)
>
> In other words, no view of mind is accurate if it dismisses the you in
> you.
>

Do you have any evidence for how many researchers do this explicitely?
> Third, he rejects the idea that no one genuinely feels compassion
> (altruism). Strict Darwinism accounts for altruism as simply the way
> that your selfish genes compel you to spread them. Your feelings are
> useful illusions that help spread your genes. He acknowledges,
>
> Some more dogmatic Darwinians have suggested that natural selection
> and survival of the fittest are best understood at the level of
> individual genes. Here we see the reduction of the strong metaphysical
> belief in the principle of self-interest to imply that somehow
> individual genes behave in a selfish way. I do not know how many of
> today's scientists hold such radical views, As it stands the current
> biological model does not allow for the possibility of real altruism.
> (P. 113)
> Revisiting the topic and choosing his words carefully, the Lama
> writes,
>
> I am told there is in fact an entire discipline called "evolutionary
> psychology". To an extent I can see how evolutionary accounts can be
> given for the emergence of basic emotions such as attachment, anger,
> and fear. However ... I cannot envision how the evolutionary approach
> can do justice to the richness of the emotional world and the
> subjective quality of experience. (P. 181)
>

One might ask how, if something "not envisionable" is any evidence
that that is the way things work.

APPENDIX Donald E. Brown's List of Human Universals

THIS LIST, COMPILED in 1989 and published in 1991, consists primarily
of "surface" universals of behavior and overt language noted by
ethnographers. It does not list deeper universals of mental structure
that are revealed by theory and experiments. It also omits near-
universals (traits that most, but not all, cultures show) and
conditional universals ("If a culture has trait A, it always has trait
B"). A list of items added since 1989 is provided at the end. For
discussion and references, see Brown's Human Universals (1991) and his
entry for "Human Universals" in The MIT Encyclopedia of the Cognitive
Sciences (Wilson & Keil, 1999).

abstraction in speech and thought

actions under self-control distinguished from those not under control

aesthetics

affection expressed and felt

age grades

age statuses

age terms

ambivalence

anthropomorphization

antonyms

baby talk

belief in supernatural/ religion

beliefs, false

beliefs about death

beliefs about disease

beliefs about fortune and misfortune

binary cognitive distinctions

biological mother and social mother normally the same person

black (color term)

body adornment

childbirth customs

childcare

childhood fears

childhood fear of loud noises

childhood fear of strangers

choice making (choosing alternatives)

classification

classification of age

classification of behavioral propensities

classification of body parts

classification of colors

classification of fauna

classification of flora

classification of inner states

classification of kin

classification of sex

classification of space

classification of tools

classification of weather

conditions coalitions

collective identities

conflict

conflict, consultation to deal with

conflict, means of dealing with

conflict, mediation of

conjectural reasoning

containers

continua (ordering as cognitive pattern)

contrasting marked and nonmarked sememes (meaningful elements in
language)

cooking

cooperation

cooperative labor

copulation normally conducted in privacy

corporate (perpetual) statuses

coyness display

crying

cultural variability

culture

culture/nature distinction

customary greetings

daily routines

dance

death rituals

decision making

decision making, collective

directions, giving of

discrepancies between speech, thought, and action

dispersed groups

distinguishing right and wrong

diurnality

divination

division of labor

division of labor by age

division of labor by sex

dreams

dream interpretation

economic inequalities

economic inequalities, consciousness of

emotions

empathy

entification (treating patterns and relations as things)

environment, adjustments to

envy

envy, symbolic means of coping with

ethnocentrism

etiquette

explanation

face (word for)

facial communication

facial expression of anger

facial expression of contempt

facial expression of disgust

facial expression of fear

facial expression of happiness

facial expression of sadness

facial expression of surprise

facial expressions, masking/modifying of

family (or household)

father and mother, separate kin terms for

fears

fears, ability to overcome some

feasting

females do more direct childcare

figurative speech

fire

folklore

food preferences food sharing

future, attempts to predict

generosity admired

gestures

gift giving

good and bad distinguished

gossip

government

grammar

group living

groups that are not based on family

hairstyles

hand (word for)

healing the sick (or attempting to)

hospitality

hygienic care

identity, collective

incest between mother and son unthinkable or tabooed

incest, prevention or avoidance

in-group distinguished from out-group(s)

in-group, biases in favor of

inheritance rules

insulting

intention

interest in bioforms (living things or things that resemble them)

interpreting behavior

intertwining (e.g., weaving)

jokes

kin, close distinguished from distant

kin groups

kin terms translatable by basic relations of procreation

kinship statuses

language

language employed to manipulate others

language employed to misinform or mislead

language is translatable

language not a simple reflection of reality

language, prestige from proficient use of

law (rights and obligations)

law (rules of membership)

leaders

lever

linguistic redundancy

logical notions

logical notion of "and"

logical notion of "equivalent"

logical notion of "general/particular"

logical notion of "not"

logical notion of "opposite"

logical notion of "part/whole"

logical notion of "same"

magic

magic to increase life

magic to sustain life

magic to win love

male and female and adult and child seen as having different natures

males dominate public/political realm

males more aggressive

males more prone to lethal violence

males more prone to theft

manipulate social relations

marking at phonemic, syntactic, and lexical levels

marriage

materialism

meal times

meaning, most units of are non-universal

measuring

medicine

melody

memory

metaphor

metonym

mood- or consciousness-altering techniques and/or substances

morphemes

mother normally has consort during child-rearing years

mourning

murder proscribed

music

music, children's

music related in part to dance

music related in part to religious activity

music seen as art (a creation)

music, vocal

music, vocal, includes speech forms

musical redundancy

musical repetition

musical variation

myths

narrative

nomenclature (perhaps the same as classification)

nonbodily decorative art

normal distinguished from abnormal states

nouns

numerals (counting)

Oedipus complex

oligarchy (de facto)

one (numeral)

onomatopoeia

overestimating objectivity of thought

pain

past/present/future

person, concept of

personal names

phonemes

phonemes defined by sets of minimally contrasting features

phonemes, merging of

phonemes, range from 10 to 70 in number

phonemic change, inevitability of

phonemic change, rules of

phonemic system

planning

planning for future

play

play to perfect skills

poetry/rhetoric

poetic line, uniform length range

poetic lines characterized by repetition and variation

poetic lines demarcated by pauses

polysemy (one word has several related meanings)

possessive, intimate

possessive, loose

practice to improve skills

preference for own children and close kin (nepotism)

prestige inequalities

private inner life

promise

pronouns

pronouns, minimum two numbers

pronouns, minimum three persons

proper names

property

psychological defense mechanisms

rape

rape proscribed

reciprocal exchanges (of labor, goods, or services)

reciprocity, negative (revenge, retaliation)

reciprocity, positive

recognition of individuals by face

redress of wrongs

rhythm

right-handedness as population norm

rites of passage

rituals

role and personality seen in dynamic interrelationship (i.e.,
departures
from role can be explained in terms of individual personality)

sanctions

sanctions for crimes against the collectivity

sanctions include removal from the social unit

self distinguished from other

self as neither wholly passive nor wholly autonomous

self as subject and object

self is responsible

semantics

semantic category of affecting things and people

semantic category of dimension

semantic category of giving

semantic category of location

semantic category of motion

semantic category of speed

semantic category of other physical properties

semantic components

semantic components, generation

semantic components, sex

sememes, commonly used ones are short, infrequently used ones are
longer

senses unified

sex (gender) terminology is fundamentally binary

sex statuses

sexual attraction

sexual attractiveness

sexual jealousy

sexual modesty

sexual regulation

sexual regulation includes incest prevention

sexuality as focus of interest

shelter

sickness and death seen as related

snakes, wariness around

social structure

socialization

socialization expected from senior kin

socialization includes toilet training

spear

special speech for special occasions

statuses and roles

statuses, ascribed and achieved

statuses distinguished from individuals

statuses on other than sex, age, or kinship bases

stop/nonstop contrasts (in speech sounds)

succession

sweets preferred

symbolism

symbolic speech

synonyms

taboos

tabooed foods

tabooed utterances

taxonomy

territoriality

time

time, cyclicity of

tools

tool dependency

tool making

tools for cutting

tools to make tools

tools patterned

culturally

tools, permanent

tools for pounding

trade

triangular awareness (assessing relationships among the self and two
other
people)

true and false distinguished

turn-taking

two (numeral)

tying material (i.e., something like string)

units of time

verbs

violence, some forms of proscribed

visiting

vocalic/nonvocalic contrasts in phonemes

vowel contrasts

weaning

weapons

weather control (attempts to)

white (color term)

world view

---------------------
Additions Since 1989
---------------------

anticipation

attachment

critical learning periods

differential valuations

dominance/submission

fairness (equity), concept of

fear of death

habituation

hope

husband older than wife on average

imagery

institutions (organized co-activities)

intention

interpolation

judging others

likes and dislikes

making comparisons

males, on average, travel greater distances over lifetime

males engage in more coalitional violence

mental maps

mentalese

moral sentiments

moral sentiments, limited effective range of

precedence, concept of (that's how the leopard got its spots)

pretend play

pride

proverbs, sayings

proverbs, sayings-in mutually contradictory forms

resistance to abuse of power, to dominance

risk taking

self-control

self-image, awareness of (concern for what others think)

self-image, manipulation of

self-image, wanted to be positive

sex differences in spatial cognition and behavior

shame

stinginess, disapproval of

sucking wounds

synesthetic metaphors

thumb sucking

tickling

toys, playthings
> His views come as no surprise because the development of compassion is
> central to the Buddhist understanding of spiritual growth. But they
> proved unacceptable to many neuroscientists.
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