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Author: XanXan Date: May 6, 2008 16:57
The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
Why?
Surely intelligence would be a criteria along with judgment.
That good and love and truth and honour would prevail over dishonesty -
theft - vanity and materialism.
If there was an intelligence - would there be tests maybe to ascertain the
extent of YOUR intelligence - your honour - your judgment and indeed your
sense of humour?
Take for example the Bible and circumcision.
What if the Jews had refused and when asked to do this by their deity had
said (in the words of John McEnroe) "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
Would the said deity concerned have then respected these men more for
standing up to him? What if instead of circumcision he had asked they dye
the right side of their hair pink? Or lop off their right ear?
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: May 6, 2008 18:43
On Tue, 06 May 2008 23:57:55 GMT, "Xan" home.com> wrote:
>The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
>The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
>Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
>Why?
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Author: XanXan Date: May 6, 2008 19:08
"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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> The situation is totally meaningless, it is therefore
> arbitrary within the constraints of the little things.
> Human sentiments included. Hundreds of millions
> of years evolution (within the constraints of the
> little things) produces complexity beyond
> human intuition. All we can do is breed and
> practice meaning illusion giving stories. Outside of that
> there is no answering your questions. It is not "fair",
> except in stories. Many "stories" may be inherited
> through accepted brain structures (insanities), some insanities
> may not be of accepted forms and discomfort prevail.
You may think the situation is totally meaningless - but it is not.
If you find what/who you are looking for and find reasons and answers then
of course your view would change.
Agreed humans do practice...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: May 6, 2008 20:37
> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
> Why?
>
> Surely intelligence would be a criteria along with judgment.
> That good and love and truth and honour would prevail over dishonesty -
> theft - vanity and materialism.
>
> If there was an intelligence - would there be tests maybe to ascertain the
> extent of YOUR intelligence - your honour - your judgment and indeed your
> sense of humour?
>
> Take for example the Bible and circumcision.
> What if the Jews had refused and when asked to do this by their deity had
> said (in the words of John McEnroe) "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
> Would the said deity concerned have then respected these men more for
> standing up to him? What if instead of circumcision he had asked they dye ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: May 6, 2008 23:24
On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Xan" home.com> wrote:> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
> Why?
>
The argument works by examining the concept of God and arguing that it
implies the existence of God; that is, if we can conceive of God, God
exists. The argument is often criticized as committing a bare
assertion fallacy, meaning that it offers no outside premise to
support it other than qualities inherent to the unproven statement.
This is also called a circular argument as the premise relies on the
conclusion, which in turn relies on the premise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument
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Author: toolytooly Date: May 7, 2008 01:06
> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
> Why?
>
> Surely intelligence would be a criteria along with judgment.
> That good and love and truth and honour would prevail over dishonesty -
> theft - vanity and materialism.
>
> If there was an intelligence - would there be tests maybe to ascertain the
> extent of YOUR intelligence - your honour - your judgment and indeed your
> sense of humour?
>
> Take for example the Bible and circumcision.
> What if the Jews had refused and when asked to do this by their deity had
> said (in the words of John McEnroe) "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
> Would the said deity concerned have then respected these men more for
> standing up to him? What if instead of circumcision he had asked they dye ...
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Date: May 7, 2008 21:21
Immortalist wrote:
> On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Xan" home.com> wrote:>> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
>> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
>> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
>> Why?
>>
>
> The argument works by examining the concept of God and arguing that it
> implies the existence of God; that is, if we can conceive of God, God
> exists. The argument is often criticized as committing a bare
> assertion fallacy, meaning that it offers no outside premise to
> support it other than qualities inherent to the unproven statement.
> This is also called a circular argument as the premise relies on the
> conclusion, which in turn relies on the premise.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument
We are all familiar with magnetism.
But we don't know how the magnetic force works at a distance.
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Author: bob youngbob young Date: May 7, 2008 21:56
monkfish wrote:
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> Immortalist wrote:
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>> On May 6, 4:57Β pm, "Xan" home.com> wrote:>>> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
>>> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
>>> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
>>> Why?
>>>
>>
>> The argument works by examining the concept of God and arguing that it
>> implies the existence of God; that is, if we can conceive of God, God
>> exists. The argument is often criticized as committing a bare
>> assertion fallacy, meaning that it offers no outside premise to
>> support it other than qualities inherent to the unproven statement.
>> This is also called a circular argument as the premise relies on the
>> conclusion, which in turn relies on the premise.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: May 7, 2008 22:12
Xan wrote:
> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
> The fact that there is atheism proves that atheism exists.
> Mysticism - Buddha - science - maths - art - all these things exist.
> Why?
In your world. In my world, there are the hymns to Kali by 18th century
Bengalese Saint Ramprasad, who said that everything you see is part of a
"projected matrix" out of the mind of Kali. His name for the Great
Earth Mother. He also said there are a myriad worlds, and the one you
exist on has these things.
The Bagavad Gita, one of his earliest sources, said that some of what
you see are divinely created and animated forms which exist solely to
challenge the fulfillment of your Kharma. Like the monsters in a video
game, a 3D projected Matrix. The Gita even calls them "Avatars".
The thing about an Avatar is that while you may learn from one, you
cannot teach one anything. Which is why none of the responders to your
questions learn anything from what you post. We are all just Turing
machines. My programming is kinda buggy, otherwise, I wouldnt bring this
up.
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Date: May 7, 2008 22:18
bob young wrote:
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> monkfish wrote:
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>> Immortalist wrote:
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>>> On May 6, 4:57Β pm, "Xan" home.com> wrote:>>>> The fact that there are religions prove that religions exist.
>>>> The fact that there...
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