Derek Janssen goes:
>Victor Velazquez wrote:
>> "Alan Hope"
gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eik5k3pdddob0br7pa4t1b1ulr11qp8gcp@4ax.com...>>>Howard Brazee goes:
>>>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:14:27 +0100, Alan Hope
>>>>
gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>Not to mention Pat Robertson advocating political assassination.
>>>>>They're also fully behind the war in Iraq, and the next one in Iran.
>>>>>Christians love the idea of nuking the Ay-Rabs back to the Stone Age.
>>>>>Just because they have a government to act for them doesn't make them
>>>>>any less barbarous.
>>>>>And let's not forget, the ultimate wet-dream of all Christians is an
>>>>>all-out war which brings the world to an end. If that's not being
>>>>>violent, I don't know what is.
>>>>Pat Robertson style Christians are not a majority by any means. As
>>>>with any group, Christians have wide varieties of beliefs and actions.
>>>Who are you trying to kid? It's all there in Revelation, the last
>>>book, the big finish. Which Christians do you think don't believe in
>>>that?
>> Plenty of Christians see most of the Bible as metaphor and allegory.
>Particularly in Revelation's case, which most normal Christians see as
>John of Patmos's allegorical pamphlet to the seven struggling Asia Minor
>churches named at the beginning, all in high "barbarian" metropolitan
>traffic areas of Babylon and Greece--
>And which, like Pilgrim's Progress, had to disguise its sermonizing and
>rehashing of Daniel's OT martyr prophecies as a coded allegorical,
>quote-fingers, "dream revelation", to escape the legal loophole of
>possibly being accused of direct religious sedition by the big guys with
>the swords.
This "metaphor and allegory" bullshit is the figleaf Christians
habitually pull on whenever the truth about their little revenge
fantasies is mentioned. Because that's all Armageddon is. Jeebus told
them they were all going to be persecuted and crucified and so on, but
the pay-back is, they get to be swept up to Heaven at the End Times
while all the rest of us are made to suffer, first in the Tribulation
and then in Hell forever.
This is mainstream Christian belief, whatever these two apologists
here claim.
>Nowadays, pretty much the only people who do believe the book out of
>hand are:
>A) Fundamentalists who don't know the difference, and
>B) Athies who wishfully want to *believe* in fundamentalists who don't
>know the difference.
You believe you will be taken up while all the rest of us suffer. It's
an allegory in Revelation, but it's not allegorical when it's Paul
who's banging on about it.
>Derek Janssen (which raises the valid question of "So who's the dope?")
>ejanss1@
verizon.net
Why, the person who believes in a God who is at once invisible and
bearded, of course. What a lunatic notion.
