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>> On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:

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>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
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>>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."

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>>> Rene Descartes    1596 - 1650

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>>> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
>>> things without having to rely on senses experience.
>>> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
>>> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.

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>>> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
>>> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.

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>> In my experience, to admit that one is not  CERTAIN of anything still
>> leaves a pragmatic approximation that serves life well enough!

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> Are you certain that we are not certain? If it is undertiminable then we may or may not be certainly right, but we cannot tell which.-