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Author: curmudgeoncurmudgeon Date: Sep 14, 2008 23:45
"To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
we
know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
Rene Descartes 1596 - 1650
Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
things without having to rely on senses experience.
Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
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Author: Langevinger66Langevinger66 Date: Sep 15, 2008 01:02
On 15 sep, 08:45, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
> we
> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
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> Rene Descartes   1596 - 1650
>
> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
> things without having to rely on senses experience.
> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
>
> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
the one who is making the questions must be doing a hell off a job
ggggg
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Sep 15, 2008 07:36
On Sep 15, 1:45Â am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
> we
> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
>
> Rene Descartes   1596 - 1650
>
> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
> things without having to rely on senses experience.
> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
>
> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
In my experience, to admit that one is not CERTAIN of anything still
leaves a pragmatic approximation that serves life well enough!
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Sep 15, 2008 07:57
On Sep 15, 4:45Â pm, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
> we
> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
>
> Rene Descartes   1596 - 1650
>
> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
> things without having to rely on senses experience.
> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
>
> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
I think it goes further than that. Knowing happens 'inspite of, not
because of" your senses.
You are not your senses. They are two way 'links' through which we
each create and 'sense' the creation, leading ultimately to the
awareness of the self as creator.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Sep 15, 2008 08:11
On Sep 16, 12:36Â am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:> On Sep 15, 1:45Â am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
>> we
>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
>
>> Rene Descartes   1596 - 1650
>
>> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
>> things without having to rely on senses experience.
>> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
>> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
>
>> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
>> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
>
> In my experience, to admit that one is not  CERTAIN of anything...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Sep 15, 2008 23:24
On Sep 15, 7:36 am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:> On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
>> we
>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
>
>> Rene Descartes 1596 - 1650
>
>> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
>> things without having to rely on senses experience.
>> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
>> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
>
>> Rene Descartes also believed that everything that he knew, or believed he
>> knew, came from his senses, and sensory experience is inherently suspect.
>
> In my experience, to admit that one is not CERTAIN of anything...
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Sep 18, 2008 14:06
On Sep 16, 1:24Â am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Sep 15, 7:36 am,zinnic gate.net> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:>
>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely everything
>>> we
>>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
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>>> Rene Descartes   1596 - 1650
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>>> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you can know
>>> things without having to rely on senses experience.
>>> Those are called innate ideas, or primary ideas.
>>> Other information gathered from experience is called secondary.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Sep 18, 2008 17:42
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On Sep 16, 1:24 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Sep 15, 7:36 am,zinnic gate.net> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:>
>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely
>>> everything
>>> we
>>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
>
>>> Rene Descartes 1596 - 1650
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>>> Rene Descartes was a Rationalist, meaning that he believed that you
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Author: Langevinger66Langevinger66 Date: Sep 19, 2008 07:19
On 19 sep, 02:42, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:> "zinnic" gate.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Sep 15, 7:36 am,zinnic gate.net> wrote:>
>>> On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:>
>>>> "To beat the skeptics at their own game, let's doubt absolutely
>>>> everything
>>>> we
>>>> know, in order to discover what knowledge we can be certain of."
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>>>> Rene Descartes 1596 - 1650 ...
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