How f'ing utterly un-shocking.
I think this article also indirectly makes my overall point about how
the real peoples (the Persian & Arab streets) are deliberately being
brainwashed/conditioned and
un-informed about such as The Sudan's alleged genocide upon Darfurans.
I'd like a Zogby poll on such:
The important
polls that today's versions of
Gallup, Roper, and others might "even-handedly" take:
Is there an Israeli genocide against the Palestinians?
Is there a Sudanese genocide against the Darfurans?
Robert Cohen wrote:
> Again, my point for re-posting such an horrid specific report within
> the Sudan-Darfur (alleged) genocide:
>
> Because the Arabic-Persian media are generally seemingly intent upon
> shaming the Jewish people regarding the Israel-Palestine conundrum,
> then what's embarrassment for the goose,....
>
>
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/opinion/26kristof.html
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> A Sister's Sacrifice
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> Published: November 26, 2006
> GOZ AMIR, Chad
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> Suad Ahmed allowed herself to be caught by the janjaweed, so her sister
> could escape.
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> Simih Yahya's wife saved his life when the janjaweed lit a bonfire on
> his back.
> When the janjaweed militia attacked Fareeda, a village here in
> southeastern Chad near Darfur, an elderly man named Simih Yahya
> didn't run because that would have meant leaving his frail wife
> behind. So the janjaweed grabbed Mr. Simih and, shouting insults
> against blacks, threw him to the ground and piled grass on his back.
>
> Then they started a bonfire on top of him.
>
> But his wife, Halima, normally fragile and submissive, furiously tried
> to tug the laughing militia members from her husband. She pleaded with
> them to spare his life. Finally, she threw herself on top of the fire,
> burning herself but eventually extinguishing it with her own body.
>
> The janjaweed may have been shamed by her courage, for Mr. Simih
> recalls them then walking away and saying, "Oh, he will die
> anyway." He told me the story as he was treated at a hospital where
> doctors peeled burned flesh from his back.
>
> Atrocities like this make up the news and constitute the
> Sudanese-sponsored genocide here in the region surrounding Darfur, but
> it is also stories like this - of superhuman courage - that keep me
> going through my reporting here. Invariably, the most memorable stories
> to emerge from genocide aren't those of the Adolf Eichmanns, but
> those of the Anne Franks and Raoul Wallenbergs. Side by side with the
> most nauseating evil, you stumble across the most exhilarating
> humanity.
>
> So this is a column about the uplifting side of genocide.
>
> I see examples all the time, from the aid workers who persevere against
> impossible odds (13 have been murdered in Darfur since May) to the
> children who carry bows and arrows to try to protect their parents from
> men with machine guns.
>
> One of the most inspiring people here is Suad Ahmed, a 25-year-old
> mother of two from Darfur. She lives here in the Goz Amir refugee camp,
> and last month she was collecting firewood with her beloved little
> sister, Halima, when a band of janjaweed ambushed them.
>
> The janjaweed regularly attack women and girls - part of a Sudanese
> policy of rape to terrorize and drive away black African tribes - and
> Ms. Suad knew how brutal the attacks are. A 12-year-old neighbor girl
> had been kidnapped by the janjaweed and gang-raped for a week; the
> girl's legs were pulled so far apart that she is now crippled.
>
> But Ms. Suad's thoughts were only for her sister, who is just 10.
> "You are a virgin, and you must escape," she told her. "Run!
> I'll let myself be captured, but you must run and escape."
>
> The local culture is such that if the little girl were raped, she might
> never be able to marry. So Ms. Suad made herself a decoy and allowed
> herself to be caught, while her sister escaped back to the camp.
>
> Ms. Suad plays down her heroism, saying that even if she had tried to
> escape, she might have been caught anyway, for she was five months
> pregnant. Or, she says, maybe she and her sister both would have been
> captured.
>
> In any case, however, the janjaweed beat Ms. Suad, and seven of them
> gang-raped her despite her pregnancy. "You black people have no
> land," she recalls them telling her. "This land is not for you."
>
> People from the camp found Ms. Suad in the hills that evening, too
> injured to walk, and carried her back. Ms. Suad said she didn't seek
> medical treatment, because she wanted to keep the rape as much of a
> secret as possible and didn't even tell her husband, although he
> eventually found out along with a few others. He accepted that it was
> not her fault.
>
> (She found the courage to give an on-the-record interview that was
> videotaped, after a tribal leader told her that it might help other
> Darfuris if the world knew what was happening to women here.)
>
> The gang rape and beating were excruciating, she says, but her
> sacrifice was worth it. "When my sister saw me brought back and saw
> what had happened to me, she understood," Ms. Suad says. "She is
> very grateful to me."
>
> So, yes, this is a land of numbing brutality, scarred by what may be
> the ugliest crime of all, genocide - abetted by indifference abroad.
> But it has elicited the best of humanity along with the worst. In Ms.
> Suad and those like her, I find a courage, nobility and compassion that
> offer a perfect contrast to the fecklessness of the rest of the world.
>
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> available here at
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> Robert Cohen wrote:
>> If anybody is able to read these stories in a Muslim-oriented newspaper
>> on-line or off-line:
>>
>> I'd be interested in knowing such.
>>
>> It is my current perception that the awful news goes unmentioned, or is
>> not treated in substantive news reporting, unlike the Israel-Palestine
>> & U.S.-Iraq situations.
>>
>> Prove that I'm full of ...it by posting/linking these stories or any
>> other substantive/detailed stories about Sudan-Darfur in
>> Arab/Persian/Muslim media.
>>
>> I wish it weren't so, but I think the Sudan-Darfur news is deliberately
>> covered-up, because the establishment(s) know that many Muslim people
>> would be angered if they were told the wretched news of the alleged
>> on-going genocide.
>>
>> When it's over, the usual denials that "we didn't really know" will
>> probably be propagated.
>>
>> It's past time to inform all Muslims everywhere about the alleged
>> massive murderings, rapings and burnings against Muslim-Animists.
>>
>> Reuters stories about Darfur generally reported in the West today:
>>
>>
>> Chad Extends Emergency to Tackle Ethnic Violence
>> ... its violent western Darfur region. Humanitarian workers say ...
>> this violence from Darfur, where a similar pattern ... raiders from
>> Sudanese Darfur into the neighboring countries. ...
>>
>> November 24, 2006 - By REUTERS (Reuters) - World - News
>> France Sends More Troops to CAR After Rebel Attacks
>> ... Sudan's violent Darfur region, the French military ... . Violence
>> in Darfur, where tens of thousands ... the border from Darfur to attack
>> and in some ...
>>
>> November 23, 2006 - By REUTERS (Reuters) - World - News
>> ICC Says Darfur Evidence Enough to Prosecute
>> ... in Sudan's Darfur region and has sufficient evidence ... of
>> conflict in Darfur, a remote region of ... the conflict in Darfur,'' he
>> added ...
>>
>> November 23, 2006 - By REUTERS (Reuters) - News
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>> Elizabeth Lawson: It's time to speak out against Darfur genocide
>>> | | Story updated at 12:28 AM on Friday, October 13, 2006
>>> As a graduate student writing my thesis on the Rwandan genocide last
>>> year, I began to grow more aware of current international crises.
>>> Darfur in particular caught my eye, because of its striking
>>> similarities to the Rwandan genocide of just 12 years ago.
>>>
>>> In the Darfur region of the African country of Sudan, 400,000 men,
>>> women, and children have been killed, and the United Nations has
>>> already declared the genocide there to be the worst humanitarian crisis
>>> in the world today. Millions of people have been forced from their
>>> homes and face starvation, rape and the constant threat of violence.
>>> Yet most Americans remain unaware, with American media coverage ranging
>>> from slim to none. It's up to us, as the lucky, blessed inhabitants of
>>> a resource-rich country, to do something about Darfur. We must act for
>>> those who are unable. We must begin to look out for our fellow man,
>>> regardless of race or nationality. We must stop this genocide in its
>>> tracks. We must not let Darfur become another Rwanda.
>>>
>>> Let us remember Rwanda by defending Darfur. The U.S. government must
>>> take every step necessary to negotiate an international peacekeeping
>>> intervention. Without immediate action, we abandon thousands - perhaps
>>> millions - to a massacre. Right now, candidates for public office are
>>> traveling the campaign trail describing their visions for the future.
>>> As Election Day approaches, stopping the genocide in Darfur must be on
>>> the agenda.
>>>
>>> Let us speak out and be heard. Let us tell the world we won't stand by
>>> silently and watch hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, women
>>> and children be slaughtered at the hand of their fellow countrymen. Let
>>> us say: Rwanda will never happen again. The Holocaust will never happen
>>> again. The Armenian genocide will never happen again. Cambodia will
>>> never happen again. Bosnia will never happen again.
>>>
>>> Please.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Lawson
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Save Darfur - Georgia Chapter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 101306
>>>
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>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>> My opinion:
>>>>
>>>> The West should defer to the Muslims of the World
>>>>
>>>> If their media, academia, clergy, and politicos substantively and
>>>> publicly request help, then I'm for intervention.
>>>>
>>>> If you have an opinion, I solicit it here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>>> Today's ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION contains a sole
>>>>> editorial urging intervention, while
>>>>> on its opposite page is a professor's anti-interventionist reply
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2006/10/11/1011eddarfur.html
>>>>>
>>>>> All-out help for Darfur
>>>>> Immediate NATO intervention makes sense against 'genocide' campaign
>>>>> that has killed at least 250,000
>>>>>
>>>>> Published on: 10/11/06
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the ever-shifting rationales the Bush administration has offered for
>>>>> invading Iraq, the only one that's proved durable enough to withstand
>>>>> serious scrutiny three years later is the moral imperative of deposing
>>>>> Saddam Hussein, a brutal dictator who tortured and murdered his own
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> For that same reason, the United States and the world community cannot
>>>>> excuse, nor stand by idly, as another murderous regime oversees the
>>>>> wanton killing of tens of thousands in the Darfur region of Sudan.
>>>>>
>>>>> President Bush has described the unremitting violence in the North
>>>>> African nation as genocide, and rightly so. Since a revolt among
>>>>> non-Arab Africans who live in the sprawling western region of Darfur
>>>>> began in 2003, the Arab Muslim government has backed a relentless
>>>>> campaign of ethnic cleansing by proxy.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to reports, the Khartoum government of President Omar Hassan
>>>>> al-Bashir is reportedly arming roving Arab militias known as the
>>>>> Janjaweed to do its dirty work in Darfur. Sweeping in on horseback or
>>>>> riding in vehicles and brandishing government-issued weapons, the
>>>>> Janjaweed are committing acts of savagery against men, women and
>>>>> children. So far, the conflict has claimed the lives of at least
>>>>> 250,000 people and created 2.5 million refugees.
>>>>>
>>>>> The African Union has dispatched 7,000 peacekeepers to Sudan but their
>>>>> mission has been too narrowly prescribed and their numbers too few to
>>>>> effectively stop the Janjaweed or contend with rebel groups also
>>>>> responsible for some of the carnage. Aid workers in the region have
>>>>> reported that civilians have been slaughtered in full view of
>>>>> peacekeepers who are often prohibited from intervening.
>>>>>
>>>>> The al-Bashir government has violated a short-lived cease-fire, spurned
>>>>> entreaties by other African nations to halt the bloodshed and has
>>>>> thumbed its nose at the U.N. Security Council which has threatened
>>>>> sanctions. Khartoum has also rejected a proposal to send in an
>>>>> additional 20,000 peacekeepers composed of troops from the African
>>>>> Union or possibly NATO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the problem in reining in the al-Bashir regime is the financial
>>>>> entanglements between Sudan and several permanent, powerful members of
>>>>> the U.N. Security Council. China, Russia and France import oil from
>>>>> Sudan and have been notably muted in their condemnation of the
>>>>> government's activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> President Bush and, more recently, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza
>>>>> Rice deserve credit for not mincing words in this case and for trying
>>>>> to tighten the diplomatic screws on the Sudanese government. But the
>>>>> time has come for a more robust response to this worsening human rights
>>>>> crisis, up to and including military intervention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly, the timing for such action couldn't be much worse. American
>>>>> forces are stretched thin in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the world is
>>>>> facing the growing threat of nuclear weapons in the hands of North
>>>>> Korea and Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that reality, some experts on the regional conflict have
>>>>> recommended that NATO first establish a no-fly zone over Darfur that
>>>>> would disrupt the government's supply lines to the marauding Janjaweed.
>>>>> After that, a recently expanded contingent of NATO troops could provide
>>>>> the needed boots on the ground to convince al-Bashir to relent. At the
>>>>> same time, the world community must strategically apply tough economic
>>>>> sanctions against the regime.
>>>>>
>>>>> None of that will be easy, of course and it could take years to stem
>>>>> the bloodshed and bring those who have committed crimes against
>>>>> humanity to justice. But as the world has learned in the killing fields
>>>>> of Bosnia, Rwanda and Iraq, evil resides not only with those who
>>>>> perpetrate such horrors. It resides also with those who stand witness
>>>>> but do nothing to stop it.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Lyle V. Harris, for the editorial board (lharris@
ajc.com)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2006/10/11/1011edequal.html
>>>>>
>>>>> EQUAL TIME
>>>>>
>>>>> Humanitarian intervention usually makes matters worse
>>>>>
>>>>> By ERIC A. POSNER
>>>>>
>>>>> Published on: 10/11/06
>>>>>
>>>>> More than 40,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the
>>>>> American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, and the rate at which civilians
>>>>> die has been increasing in recent months. Many thousands of innocent
>>>>> Iraqis have been detained, and some have been abused by American
>>>>> troops. Many others have been tortured or killed by Iraqi police.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, if the United Nations were to have its way, the Iraqi debacle
>>>>> would be just the first in a series of such wars - the effect of a
>>>>> well-meaning but ill-considered effort to make humanitarian
>>>>> intervention obligatory as a matter of international law. Today Iraq,
>>>>> tomorrow Darfur.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (ENLARGE)
>>>>> Eric A. Posner is a professor of law at the University of Chicago and
>>>>> co-author of 'The Limits of International Law.' This column originally
>>>>> appeared in The Washington Post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Civilians suffer in all wars, but the suffering of Iraqi civilians in
>>>>> this war is particularly unfortunate because one of the main
>>>>> justifications for the war was humanitarian: to rescue suffering Iraqis
>>>>> from a tyrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea that war can have a humanitarian as well as a national
>>>>> security justification has a long pedigree and surface plausibility.
>>>>> Some of the worst atrocities of the 20th century occurred in weak
>>>>> states whose governments could not have resisted a foreign military
>>>>> invasion.
>>>>>
>>>>> The genocide in Rwanda, which killed more than 800,000 people in a few
>>>>> months, was eventually halted by a force of Tutsi rebels; surely a
>>>>> Western army could have stopped it sooner. If nations can intervene at
>>>>> little cost to themselves because the target nations are weak and by
>>>>> doing so they prevent massive human suffering, then surely they should
>>>>> do so. The logic seems compelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> But logic is no substitute for experience, and experience shows that
>>>>> humanitarian war is an oxymoron. The first blow to the idea was the
>>>>> failed intervention in Somalia in 1993. U.S. forces sent to maintain
>>>>> the peace while aid was distributed to millions of starving civilians
>>>>> were withdrawn after 18 U.S. soldiers died. Policy-makers drew the
>>>>> lesson that the American public will not tolerate casualties in a
>>>>> humanitarian war that has no clear national security justification.
>>>>> This lesson guided President Clinton's refusal to authorize military
>>>>> intervention during the Rwandan genocide and his decision to limit U.S.
>>>>> military intervention in Kosovo in 1999 to high-altitude bombing, which
>>>>> ensured that no American pilots were killed - at the expense of
>>>>> civilians on whose heads errant bombs fell. The Kosovo intervention,
>>>>> although regarded as a success in some quarters, has cost billions of
>>>>> dollars, required a seven-year occupation and could turn out to be a
>>>>> slow-motion version of Iraq.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Iraq war itself has dealt the second blow. The problem with
>>>>> humanitarian intervention is not only that the costs are usually too
>>>>> high, but it turns out that the benefits usually are low.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are just too many risks and imponderables when war is used to
>>>>> prevent atrocities rather than to defeat an enemy. Military weapons
>>>>> inevitably kill civilians, and smart tyrants foil smart bombs by using
>>>>> their own civilians as shields.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saddam Hussein was an especially bad tyrant, and Iraqi civilian
>>>>> casualties attributable to the U.S. intervention do not yet equal what
>>>>> he was able to accomplish, albeit over a longer period. The Kurds and
>>>>> many Shiites are better off. And many Iraqis continue to think that the
>>>>> war was worth it, according to polls.
>>>>>
>>>>> But polls do not reveal the opinions of dead Iraqis. The humanitarian
>>>>> effect of the war has been at best ambiguous against the baseline of
>>>>> the containment period that preceded it, and if current trends
>>>>> continue, the overall effect will be that of a humanitarian disaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many people blame the humanitarian costs of the war in Iraq on the Bush
>>>>> administration's execution of it. This view is a psychological crutch
>>>>> that allows defenders of humanitarian intervention to keep the ideal
>>>>> alive for the next, presumably competent, administration of a President
>>>>> Hillary Clinton or John McCain. But complaints about this war are not
>>>>> noticeably different from complaints about earlier wars, where small
>>>>> mistakes (identifiable as such with the benefit of hindsight) resulted
>>>>> in enormous harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Iraq war, consistent with experience, suggests that humanitarian
>>>>> wars will rarely yield humanitarian results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why, then, is there a so-called ``responsibility to protect'' movement
>>>>> to make humanitarian intervention obligatory as a matter of
>>>>> international law? And why was this idea endorsed by the United Nations
>>>>> during its millennium summit?
>>>>>
>>>>> The best humanitarians of our day recognize that we face a painful
>>>>> dilemma: to tolerate atrocities in foreign states or to risk committing
>>>>> worse atrocities in the course of ending them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>From Rwanda, many people drew the lesson that failure to intervene is
>>>>> the worse option. The Iraq war may be the first step in unlearning this
>>>>> lesson. If not, an intervention in Darfur surely will be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>>>> Headline on page 2-C of today's ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
www.ajc.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "80 children a day day in darfur"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by journalist Alfred
>>>>>> de Montesquiou, Associated Press
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look him up, and find this listed first at Yahoo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.newsvine.com/darfur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please run "Alfred de Montesquiou" and/or "Sudan Darfur"
>>>>>> in your favorite newspapers' search things
>>>>>> to see if they're responsibly reporting, and particlarly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in comparison with their reporting of "Israel Palestine"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>> This article's report of real politik by way of Egypt protecting or
>>>>>>> aligning-with Sudan offers candid, harsh insight into normative
>>>>>>> political machinations, understanding history, why I need
>>>>>>> academia/philosophy, and the banal/ordinary expediency or a
>>>>>>> self-interest rationale of indulging genocide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1005/p06s01-woaf.html?s=itm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Persons with picture phones could capture for history their indovidual
>>>>>>>> situations, including actual murders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just get some cell phone cameras and cell transmitters into at risk
>>>>>>>>> villages and show them how to use them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very cheap fairly safe activism on a per life basis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Al Qaida spokesperson comments about the on-going Darfur (alleged)
>>>>>>>>>> genocide:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Al-Zawahri also called a UN resolution to send peacekeepers into
>>>>>>>>>> Sudan's war-torn Darfur region a "Crusader plan" and implored the
>>>>>>>>>> Muslims of Darfur to defend themselves."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/769102.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Because Darfur is substantially--if not totally--ignored in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Islamic, Arabic and Persian oriented media, religious institutions, and
>>>>>>>>>>> academia.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To prove part of this moral indictment to youself: Please run
>>>>>>>>>>> "Sudan-Darfur" in some of the above media, while also trying to prove
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm distorting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why is this harsh reality imporrtant to the future & destiny of
>>>>>>>>>>> mankind?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It involves the on-going alleged genocide of 200,000--400,000 and the
>>>>>>>>>>> displacement of 2 plus million Muslim-Animists by the Arabic-back
>>>>>>>>>>> Janjaweed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And it proves/reinforces/verifies to me the willfful ignorance,
>>>>>>>>>>> shamefulness & hypocrisy of too many anti-zionists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0928/p09s01-coop.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Get Ted Turner / CNN on it. It may turn out that one camera will
>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be able to defend an entire village.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get a little funding for enough cameras and transmitters to eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> record the horrific violence. Until that is done then it will be an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> esoteric academic issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One reason so many deny the Holocaust is because people tend to not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to think about anything unpleasant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bret Cahill