Terry Cross wrote:
> On Dec 31, 4:50 pm, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>> Terry Cross wrote:
>>> On Dec 31, 3:57 pm, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>>>> Terry Cross wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 31, 10:18 am, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>>>>>> Terry Cross wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 30, 11:47 pm, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>>>>>>>> Terry Cross wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 30, 10:52 pm, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On 31-Dec-2007, cactus
nonespam.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you are wrong. The word "race" also describes all the descendants
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a single ancestor or group of ancestors. In that respect, Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>> staunchly refer to themselves as a race because of their legendary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> descent from Jacob/Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Citations?
>>>>>>>>>>> None that are modern enough or non-British enough to count.
>>>>>>>>>>> No Jew refers to Judaism as a race, nor Jews; we all know better.
>>>>>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>>>> Yep. Why can't these ignoramuses figure this out?
>>>>>>>> See my response to some of the items in that query. Not only do you
>>>>>>>> show yourself to be an ignoramus, but you appear to be a lazy one, and a
>>>>>>>> bluffer at that.
>>>>>>> The term is used in at least 59,000 contexts. I do not bluff.
>>>>>>> TCross
>>>>>> Yes you do. You didn't examine them any more than I did.
>>>>> Do you deny all the contemporary Jewish contexts provided by "It's all
>>>>> a bit strange"? I notice you have not answered her post.
>>> Still no answer. Remarkable.
>> I did answer it. I think it's strange. I disagree with the usage, and
>> I never use the term.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>>>>> I doubt that
>>>>>> you even looked at the first 10, which I actually did. If the other
>>>>>> 58,990 are like the first 10,
>>>>> And if the moon is made of cheese - we shall run short of crackers
>>>>> before we get to the rest of space.
>>>>>> they are all based on Christian theology
>>>>>> or dogmatics, or ancient scripture that is primarily polemical in
>>>>>> nature.
>>>>> English does not become passe because of a change in fashion on your
>>>>> TeeVee screen. There are many modern references, but even 100 years
>>>>> ago is ordinary English. You may have no respect for culture, but
>>>>> that is your own shortage, not ours.
>>>>>> All they do is say the same tired words over and over. That
>>>>>> has no more meaning than most of your dishonest fulminations.
>>>>> Goldstein, Eric L. ""Different Blood Flows in Our Veins": Race and
>>>>> Jewish
>>>>> Self-Definition in Late Nineteenth Century America"
>>>>> American Jewish History - Volume 85, Number 1, March 1997, pp. 29-55
>>>>> "The American Hebrew editorialized in 1884 that Jewish race purity had
>>>>> preserved"
>>>>>
http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/american_jewish_...
>>>>> Nahum Goldman, one of the leading Jews of the 20th Century and former
>>>>> president of the World Zionist Organization, said it very bluntly:
>>>>> .The Jews are divided into two categories, those who admit they belong
>>>>> to a
>>>>> race distinguished by a history thousands of years old, and those who
>>>>> don't.
>>>>> The latter are open to the charge of dishonesty.
>>>> I belong to a group with a distinguished history, and I may share some
>>>> genetic traits with some. Race? I dunno.
>>> Then you are English-challenged, that is all. Read the definition in
>>> a real dictionary:
>>>
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/race
>>>
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
>>> Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, В© Random House, Inc.
>>> 2006.
>>> race
>>> 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
>>> 2. a population so related.
>>> 3. Anthropology.
>>> a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being
>>> the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly
>>> distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in
>>> technical use.
>>> b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp.
>>> formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical
>>> characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now
>>> frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
>>> c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other
>>> populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and
>>> genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
>>> 4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic
>>> race.
>>> 5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits,
>>> etc.: the Dutch race.
>>> 6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat
>>> to the race.
>>> 7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
>>> 8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
>>> 9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an
>>> interesting race.
>>> 10. the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.
>> Cool. So there's an English race, and an American race and a Catholic
>> race, and a Latin race (as distinct from the Brazilian one), and a
>> Russian race (as distinct from the Slavic one) etc etc etc.
>>
>> Any group is a race. I hope that the Kansas City, Kansas race gets
>> along with the Kansas City Missouri race.
>>
>> I suspect that I share more genetic traits with a non-Jew of the Swedish
>> race than a Jew of the Ethiopian race.
>>
>> Is the term totally devoid of meaning yet?
>
> The term has a number of meanings, as you are now slowly and
> reluctantly learning. I notice you will permit only other Jews to
> teach it to you. It is revealing.
Was your dictionary compiled by Jews? I doubt it.
Rest assured that you will not teach me anything because you have shown
yourself to be untrustworthy and bigoted. I will believe reputable
people, whatever their religion. Whatever the truth of the matter, I do
not use "race" in an ethnic context, and disagree with its use by anyone.
>
>> In any case, when an antisemite uses it, I associate it with the nazi usage.
>
> Who is interested in your personal short-circuitry? Everyone knows
> that people like you do not go bed or rise up in the morning without
> praying for a return of the NAZIs so that you might satisfy your
> paranoia.
Your bigoted antisemitism manifests floridly whenever you do not have an
effective response to what I write.
>
> The American Negroes suffered centuries of slavery and persecution
> under the whites. Why haven't they made hundreds of movies and
> published thousands of books on their persistent paranoia - like the
> Jews? Why aren't they trying to make the world feel guilty with every
> other breath they breathe? You think they have no provocation?
They have been doing so for some time. The first time it hit the
mainstream was Alex Haley's "Roots," which was a major media event.
There is quite a bit of literature out there. You can find it if you
try. Remember Google is your enabler.
>
> I will tell you - because they are smart enough to move on. They do
> not make a religion of their suffering and a holy temple of their own
> blood.
>
You have not paid attention to the literature on the subject. It would
behoove you to do so.
> Living as you do in America, you ought to be ashamed of yourself,
> trying to wring profit out of the suffering of your ancestors, and
> trying to capitalize on their pain.
Your bigoted antisemitism manifests floridly whenever you do not have an
effective response to what I write. You have only hate, you pitiful
creature.
>
>>> The NAZIs did not normally speak English. You watch too many movies.
>> They spoke German. They still used the term, albeit in German. Did you
>> not get that?
>
> The NAZIs are dead a half century ago. Did YOU not get that?
But you and your kind carry on the tradition. The price of safety is
eternal vigilance. It is good to forgive and bad to forget. But you
don't understand the difference. I don't blame you because it keeps
your sort of hate out on the lunatic fringe where it belongs.
>
> TCross
