> On Dec 4, 11:55 am, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:
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>>> Scholem, from Major Trends of Jewish Mysticism, p. 125:

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>>> Generally speaking, lay mystics - self-taught and untutored by
>>> Rabbinism - have always been a potential source of heretical thought.
>>> Jewish mysticism tried to meet this danger by stipulating in principle
>>> that entry into the domain of mystical thought and practice should be
>>> reserved to rabbinic scholars. In actual fact, however, there has
>>> been no lack of Kabbalists who either had learning whatsoever, or who
>>> lacked the proper rabbinic training. Thus enabled to look at Judaism
>>> from a fresh angle, these men frequently produced highly important and
>>> interesting ideas, and so there grew up, side by side with the
>>> scholarly Kabbalah of the Rabbis, another line of prophetic and
>>> visionary mystics. The pristine enthusiasm of these early ecstatics ...

> On Dec 4, 1:23 pm, pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>> On Dec 4, 11:55 am, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:
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>>>> Scholem, from Major Trends of Jewish Mysticism, p. 125:
>>>> Generally speaking, lay mystics - self-taught and untutored by
>>>> Rabbinism - have always been a potential source of heretical thought.
>>>> Jewish mysticism tried to meet this danger by stipulating in principle
>>>> that entry into the domain of mystical thought and practice should be
>>>> reserved to rabbinic scholars. In actual fact, however, there has
>>>> been no lack of Kabbalists who either had learning whatsoever, or who
>>>> lacked the proper rabbinic training. Thus enabled to look at Judaism
>>>> from a fresh angle, these men frequently produced highly important and
>>>> interesting ideas, and so there grew up, side by side with the
>>>> scholarly Kabbalah of the Rabbis, another line of prophetic and
>>>> visionary mystics. The pristine enthusiasm of these early ecstatics ...

> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>> On Dec 4, 1:23 pm, pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>> On Dec 4, 11:55 am, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:

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>>>>> Scholem, from Major Trends of Jewish Mysticism, p. 125:
>>>>> Generally speaking, lay mystics - self-taught and untutored by
>>>>> Rabbinism - have always been a potential source of heretical thought.
>>>>> Jewish mysticism tried to meet this danger by stipulating in principle
>>>>> that entry into the domain of mystical thought and practice should be
>>>>> reserved to rabbinic scholars. In actual fact, however, there has
>>>>> been no lack of Kabbalists who either had learning whatsoever, or who
>>>>> lacked the proper rabbinic training. Thus enabled to look at Judaism
>>>>> from a fresh angle, these men frequently produced highly important and
>>>>> interesting ideas, and so there grew up, side by side with the
>>>>> scholarly Kabbalah of the Rabbis, another line of prophetic and
>>>>> visionary mystics. The pristine enthusiasm of these early ecstatics
>>>>> frequently lifted the heavy lid of rabbinic scholasticism....
>>>>> Kabbalah (Meridian) (Paperback)
>>>>> by Gershon Scholem (Author) "Kabbalah" is the traditional and most ...

> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>> On Dec 4, 1:23 pm, pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>> On Dec 4, 11:55 am, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:

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>>>>> Scholem, from Major Trends of Jewish Mysticism, p. 125:
>>>>> Generally speaking, lay mystics - self-taught and untutored by
>>>>> Rabbinism - have always been a potential source of heretical thought.
>>>>> Jewish mysticism tried to meet this danger by stipulating in principle
>>>>> that entry into the domain of mystical thought and practice should be
>>>>> reserved to rabbinic scholars. In actual fact, however, there has
>>>>> been no lack of Kabbalists who either had learning whatsoever, or who
>>>>> lacked the proper rabbinic training. Thus enabled to look at Judaism
>>>>> from a fresh angle, these men frequently produced highly important and
>>>>> interesting ideas, and so there grew up, side by side with the
>>>>> scholarly Kabbalah of the Rabbis, another line of prophetic and
>>>>> visionary mystics. The pristine enthusiasm of these early ecstatics
>>>>> frequently lifted the heavy lid of rabbinic scholasticism....
>>>>> Kabbalah (Meridian) (Paperback)
>>>>> by Gershon Scholem (Author) "Kabbalah" is the traditional and most ...

> Mankind (not Jews in particular) were told they needed and would get a
> Messiah. Abram was told that the Messiah would come through his line
> and that his descendents (through Issac) would be set apart. God
> formed a special pact with Abraham - and through him to all Jews. My
> understanding is that most Jews and Christians believe this.
> Christians believe that Jesus was the fullfillment of those promises.

> Hey, you damn machine, what do you know about humans?
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>> Hey, you damn machine, what do you know about humans?

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> We have learnt much about you - we video and record all our experiences.
> Humans are most interesting subject.
> Regards
> THE BORG

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>> On Dec 5, 9:59 am, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:

>>> jjs wrote:
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>> The death penalty is a very humbling point. Does that mean that a devout
>> Jew
>> would vote against a pro-capital punishment law? (I realize it is not a
>> voted issue.)

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> Presumably. However, as the saying goes, "Two Jews, three opinions."

> On 5-Dec-2007, cactus nonespam.com> wrote:
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>>> The death penalty is a very humbling point. Does that mean that a devout
>>> Jew
>>> would vote against a pro-capital punishment law? (I realize it is not a
>>> voted issue.)

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>> Presumably. However, as the saying goes, "Two Jews, three opinions."