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Author: Sound of TrumpetSound of Trumpet Date: Dec 6, 2007 06:53
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923812/posts
The silver age of freethought [why atheists like Christopher Hitchens
are grumpy]
WORLD ^ | November 17, 2007 | Marvin Olasky
Posted on 11/10/2007 7:39:36 AM PST by rhema
Atheistic books are selling ("Backward, atheists", June 30), but so
are debates between atheists and Christians. Christopher Hitchens,
author of God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, debated
last month--before packed houses in Washington and New York--Oxford
professor Alister McGrath and author Dinesh D'Souza (What's So Great
About Christianity). But none of this is new in American history:
Hitchens' best-known predecessor, Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899) sold
out auditoriums throughout the last quarter of the 19th century, in
what became known as "the golden age of freethought."
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Author: LCLC Date: Dec 6, 2007 06:57
Deaf and dumb spambot "Sound of Trumpet" hotpop.com> wrote
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> In his King's College debate with
> D'Souza ( tkc.edu/debate), Hitchens went for the jugular right from the
> start: "Christianity is masochistic, as well as partly sadistic. It
> attacks us in our deepest integrity. It says that you and I wouldn't
> know a right action, wouldn't be able to derive it or a right thought
> without the permission of a celestial dictatorship that guards us
> while we sleep, that can convict us of thought crime, that supervises
> our every waking moment, that is in fact the origin of
> totalitarianism, and that will continue to judge us and persecute us
> and supervise us even after we were dead."
Right he is, SoT...'nuff said.
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Author: HatterHatter Date: Dec 6, 2007 07:27
On Dec 6, 9:57 am, "LC" hotmail.com> wrote:> Deaf and dumb spambot "Sound of Trumpet" hotpop.com> wrote
> in messagenews:f2dfd6f1-4a7a-4054-b891-ca42bd2b6545@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> In his King's College debate with
>> D'Souza ( tkc.edu/debate), Hitchens went for the jugular right from the
>> start: "Christianity is masochistic, as well as partly sadistic. It
>> attacks us in our deepest integrity. It says that you and I wouldn't
>> know a right action, wouldn't be able to derive it or a right thought
>> without the permission of a celestial dictatorship that guards us
>> while we sleep, that can convict us of thought crime, that supervises
>> our every waking moment, that is in fact the origin of
>> totalitarianism, and that will continue to...
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Author: Lord CalvertLord Calvert Date: Dec 6, 2007 07:34
On Dec 6, 10:27 am, Hatter gmail.com> wrote:> On Dec 6, 9:57 am, "LC" hotmail.com> wrote:> Why do they use the term "Darwinists?" Shouldn't that be "Scientists?"
Because the concept of an "idea" is too abstract for them. They can't
wrap their heads around it, so they give it some sort of
anthropomorphic personification. Ideas are slippery. People are
concrete. It is easier to hate a person than it is an idea so they
focus their understanding on the symbol because they can't comprehend
what the symbol represents. That's why most Christians fraudulently
claim that atheists hate Jesus. Their minds can't separate the person
from the idea so they don't understand how we can and they end up
projecting their limitations onto us.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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Author: LCLC Date: Dec 6, 2007 08:10
> On Dec 6, 10:27 am, Hatter gmail.com> wrote:>> On Dec 6, 9:57 am, "LC" hotmail.com> wrote:>> Why do they use the term "Darwinists?" Shouldn't that be "Scientists?"
> Because the concept of an "idea" is too abstract for them. They can't
> wrap their heads around it, so they give it some sort of
> anthropomorphic personification. Ideas are slippery. People are
> concrete. It is easier to hate a person than it is an idea so they
> focus their understanding on the symbol because they can't comprehend
> what the symbol represents. That's why most Christians fraudulently
> claim that atheists hate Jesus. Their minds can't separate the person
> from the idea so they don't understand how we can and they end up
> projecting their limitations onto us.
Rich has addressed this eloquently, so I'll only add that the abstraction
"Darwinists" is _so_ much easier to demonize to the target demographic than
"scientists". Only the most extreme fundamentalists are capable of
considering 'science' as a blanket negative.
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Author: Neil KelseyNeil Kelsey Date: Dec 6, 2007 08:53
*snip*
> This silver age is different. In his King's College debate with
> D'Souza ( tkc.edu/debate), Hitchens went for the jugular right from the
> start: "Christianity is masochistic, as well as partly sadistic...
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Author: Bill MBill M Date: Dec 6, 2007 07:20
> *snip*
>
> Christianity is better than what preceded it.
> Therefore God exists.
>
> How does that make any sense?
>
> *snip*
Christianity is base on delusions. It doesn't need to make sense!
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Author: jamesdjamesd Date: Dec 6, 2007 13:39
> Hitchens went for the jugular right from the
> start: "Christianity is... in fact the origin of
> totalitarianism
Not so, rather efforts to fill the gap left by the loss
of Christianity and Judaism are the origin of
totalitarianism.
Marxism is in substantial part a substitute for Judaism,
and borrows heavily from Kant's efforts to provide a
substitute for Christianity.
When you stop believing in one nonsense, the gap is not
necessarily filled by the light of reason, but by a
considerably more dangerous nonsense.
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Author: jamesdjamesd Date: Dec 6, 2007 13:57
Sound of Trumpet
> it is only from Christianity that these things that
> had been uncontroversial for a long time become
> controversial for the first time."
This is in fact backwards. Rather, Christianity
originated because these things were becoming
controversial - for example people were becoming
uncomfortable with the barbaric and primitive
commandments of the Torah, particularly stoning for
religious differences and family disobedience, and holy
war over trivia of ritual and custom. Also, the whole
business of sacrifice had come to be recognized as
stupid and nasty.
About two hundred years after Christ, Jews set about
burying the Torah under a mountain of retranslation,
re-interpretation, loophole boring, complexification and
legalistic weaseling, which demonstrates widespread
discomfort with it - that Jesus was a manifestation of
this discomfort, rather than the cause of it.
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Author: Michael GrayMichael Gray Date: Dec 6, 2007 14:35
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:20:35 -0000, "Bill M" bellsouth.net>
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>> *snip*
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>> Christianity is better than what preceded it.
>> Therefore God exists.
>>
>> How does that make any sense?
>>
>> *snip*
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>Christianity is base on delusions. It doesn't need to make sense!
All your base are belong to us!
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