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Author: MichaelNJMichaelNJ Date: Dec 4, 2007 07:40
I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible). I
know a considerable amount of those who post here share a point of
view that is diametrically opposed to my own, but (to quote a famous
Chinese dude) I wish to "know my enemy".
The question contains two parts and I would appreciate any substantive
response.
If "there is no God" and religion is merely a human construct of
social interaction, if you think it is bad why do think it is bad.
I'm sure some would use the argument that evil things have been done
in the name of religion, but I would counter that evil things are done
by evil men (or at the direction of evil men). Their occurrence does
not require "religion"; it was merely the tool of choice.
While certain religious practices/dogmas may have facilitated evil
behavior they also have facilitated behavior that is beneficial for
the common good.
If you do not think religion is bad, why would you denounce it (this
may be a failed argument as I'm not sure anyone falls into this
category, but ...)
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Dec 4, 2007 10:57
On Dec 4, 3:40 pm, Michae...@ gmail.com wrote: > I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible). I
> know a considerable amount of those who post here share a point of
> view that is diametrically opposed to my own, but (to quote a famous
> Chinese dude) I wish to "know my enemy".
>
> The question contains two parts and I would appreciate any substantive
> response.
>
> If "there is no God" and religion is merely a human construct of
> social interaction, if you think it is bad why do think it is bad.
There are many reasons why religion is bad.
Religion imposes a social and moral normality, often with violence,
crushing the human spirit and freedom of action.
The Spanish inquisition, Witch hunts, laws...
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Dec 4, 2007 12:15
> On Dec 4, 3:40 pm, Michae...@ gmail.com wrote: >> I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible). I
>> know a considerable amount of those who post here share a point of
>> view that is diametrically opposed to my own, but (to quote a famous
>> Chinese dude) I wish to "know my enemy".
>>
>> The question contains two parts and I would appreciate any substantive
>> response.
>>
>> If "there is no God" and religion is merely a human construct of
>> social interaction, if you think it is bad why do think it is bad.
>
> There are many reasons why religion is bad.
> Religion imposes a social and moral normality, often with violence,
> crushing the human spirit and freedom of action.
> The Spanish inquisition, Witch hunts, laws on marriage and sex,
> imposition of moral responsibility. Holy wars, crusades. Lives
> destroyed by acetic practices, fasts, sin, punishment. Any student of ...
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Dec 4, 2007 12:13
>I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible). I
> know a considerable amount of those who post here share a point of
> view that is diametrically opposed to my own, but (to quote a famous
> Chinese dude) I wish to "know my enemy".
>
> The question contains two parts and I would appreciate any substantive
> response.
>
> If "there is no God" and religion is merely a human construct of
> social interaction, if you think it is bad why do think it is bad.
>
> I'm sure some would use the argument that evil things have been done
> in the name of religion, but I would counter that evil things are done
> by evil men (or at the direction of evil men). Their occurrence does
> not require "religion"; it was merely the tool of choice.
>
> While certain religious practices/dogmas may have facilitated evil
> behavior they also have facilitated behavior that is beneficial for ...
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Author: LedraychereLedraychere Date: Dec 4, 2007 12:21
On Dec 4, 1:57 pm, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 4, 3:40 pm, Michae...@ gmail.com wrote:
> >> I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible). I
>> know a considerable amount of those who post here share a point of
>> view that is diametrically opposed to my own, but (to quote a famous
>> Chinese dude) I wish to "know my enemy".
>
>> The question contains two parts and I would appreciate any substantive
>> response.
>
>> If "there is no God" and religion is merely a human construct of
>> social interaction, if you think it is bad why do think it is bad.
>
> There are many reasons why religion is bad.
> Religion imposes a social and moral normality, often with violence,
> crushing the human spirit and freedom of action.
> The Spanish inquisition, Witch hunts, laws on marriage and sex,
> imposition of moral responsibility. Holy wars, crusades. Lives
> destroyed by acetic practices, fasts, sin, punishment. Any student of ...
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Dec 4, 2007 13:28
On Dec 5, 3:57 am, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are many reasons why religion is bad.
> Religion imposes a social and moral normality, often with violence,
> crushing the human spirit and freedom of action.
That describes socialism as precise as it can be described, dopey.
> The Spanish inquisition, Witch hunts, laws on marriage and sex,
> imposition of moral responsibility.
And yet socialists reckon that forcing humans to be slaves (taxation)
is morally responsible.
> How can we stand by and allow religion to gaol a teacher because one
> of her pupils called a teddy-bear Mohammed?
The same way you dopey fucking socialists invent laws and imprison for
victimless crimes.
> Worse still. If you believe that god created the earth then there is
> no need to persue science.
Pathetic.
> Religion tells us how to live, it is anti-democratic
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Dec 4, 2007 13:30
On Dec 5, 12:40 am, Michae...@ gmail.com wrote:
> I desire to ask a serious question without acrimony (if possible).
You should have given up god at the same time and for the same reasons
as you gave up santa and the tooth fairy, FFS grow up and learn HOW to
ask serious qestions.
MG
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:02
On Dec 5, 5:13 am, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:
> Religion has helped many people to navigate
> the tough waters of life.
How can wasting your presious little time talking inside your mind to
a silly bloody nonsense, existing no where but also inside your mind,
help you to work out a way to get out of a foxhole? i.e. how can
talking to a nonsense help you to solve the real problems of your
survial which exist in reality OUTSIDE of your mind?
You cant solve a real problem and talk to a unreal nonsense at the
same time, I'm presuming you're not a woman, who men leave alone to
pretend they can, do two things at once without fucking up one or
both, I digress.
Successful navigators open their minds to the world and to the
problems of human survival which exist in reality outside of their
minds.
The mystic's god cant "help" anyone, sooo dont kid yourself, or at
least precede your own title with non-.
MG
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:22
> On Dec 5, 5:13 am, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:
>>> Religion has helped many people to navigate
>> the tough waters of life.
>
> How can wasting your presious little time talking inside your mind to
> a silly bloody nonsense, existing no where but also inside your mind,
> help you to work out a way to get out of a foxhole? i.e. how can
> talking to a nonsense help you to solve the real problems of your
> survial which exist in reality OUTSIDE of your mind?
> You cant solve a real problem and talk to a unreal nonsense at the
> same time, I'm presuming you're not a woman, who men leave alone to
> pretend they can, do two things at once without fucking up one or
> both, I digress.
> Successful navigators open their minds to the world and to the
> problems of human survival which exist in reality outside of their
> minds.
> The mystic's god cant "help" anyone, sooo dont kid yourself, or at ...
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Author: MichaelNJMichaelNJ Date: Dec 4, 2007 14:48
I have appreciated all of the response (well almost all). If you
would induldge me yet again, I would pose one more question.
Assuming we limit the discussion to relgious dogmas/practices that
seek to impose their practice (some sort of forced conversion) on
others who do not pracice that religion; would you agree that this
happens for reason that are not strictly religious (power, control,
wealth, etc.)? And if this is so could we deduce that those who do
this (or compell others to do this) would do this whether they had
relgion as a tool to do so or not?
Secondly, if a society contains a large number of folks who practice
religious tenents that compell them to behave within certain social
norms (i.e. do not murder) and those folks incorporate those tenents
into the structure of their laws and you happen to disagree with those
tenents do you blame the people or their religion?
Once again thanks for your responses.
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