> On 4 mai, 15:40, "steve" steve.com> wrote:
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>> On 27-Apr-2007, smacked up and reeling, m...@sawfish.com blindly formulated
>> the following incoherence:

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>>> Stand-ups tend to lance festering sensibilities, and you feel better
>>> afterwards, like having a boil lanced (or is it a lance boiled--I'm
>>> not sure now)

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>> LOL! A bit of a comedian yourself, Sawdude.

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>>> Now, in my view, you will likely always have more Mort Sahls than
>>> Dennis Millers, merely because the left side of the political spectrum
>>> tends to view itself as vitimized more than the right side--although
>>> the right does their share of whining, too. But to members of the
>>> traditional right, whining is a shame and a disgrace, and while you
>>> may in fact indulge in it, it is a weakness to be resisted. Like
>>> drinking before noon.

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>>> The left, on the other hand, seems to been much more tolerant of
>>> whining (and really pretty much anything else that an avowed liberal
>>> indivdual can do/express), and hence there is more whining from that
>>> side of the spectrum.

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>>> And whining is an indicator that a stand-up is needed...

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>> Interesting analysis, and I see a lot of truth there. But I think the
>> dearth of conservative comedians is a specific instance of a larger
>> tendency. As Ive observed here many times, conservatives in general arent
>> particularly interested in art and culture (with the possible exception of
>> cultural education as a mark of good breeding), and I think there are
>> several reason why this is true. Your observation about whining is a big
>> part of it. Conservative tend to value not only confrontation, but action.
>> Art in many forms, especially modern art (and I use that term in it's most
>> general sense, not to refer to any specific movement...'cause I dont know
>> about tat stuff... but simply to describe art conceived in the present and
>> recent past), tends to lead to questions rather than answers and
>> conclusions. For most conservatives, this may strike them as a waste of
>> time and energy. They dont see value in introspection and analysis unless
>> it is part of a credible effort to solve a concrete problem. In fact it's a
>> quite sensible view to consider most art to be of little practical value.

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>> Along those same lines, conservatives by nature tend to make (or encourage
>> thier kids to make) career choices and decisions that are safe and
>> practical. "Dad, I wanna be a comedian." would be less welcome to a
>> conservative than to a liberal. So conservative comedians are less likely
>> to appear in the first place, and must play to a smaller potential audience
>> if they do.

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>> Liberals, on the other hand, seem to feel that art is a powerful force for
>> social change. I tend to fall somewhere between the two extremes, because I
>> think art has practical (albeit mostly personal) value and can effect some
>> small degree of social change. But I dont see it as a powerful social
>> force, at least not in the US. The manner in which this country was
>> populated, i.e. risk takers seeking a better life, favors those who choose
>> action over introspection. For most americans, art is merely entertainment
>> and distraction.

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>> As for liberals...I nearly drove off the road one day when I was listening
>> to a discussion on NPR about the supposed dangers of nuclear power. A
>> caller proudly proclaimed that she had been "writing a lot of anti-nuclear
>> poetry, lately". The host responded with an enthusiastic "That's
>> wonderful."

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>> steve
>> --
>> "The accused will now make a bogus statement."
>> James Joyce

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> it took the poor sad fuck a whole week to come up with that whine, or
> mebbe he read me and whinced? which it gonna be, folks?
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> comedy's demise was freud, sure. but it was richard pryor and eddie
> murphy telling bill cosby to go fuck himself, too. try some other
> place, libtards, like, erm, how to such randroid pussy?