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Re: Why accelerators cannot push electrons travel at speed more than "c         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: Y.Porat
Date: Sep 6, 2008 20:56

On Sep 7, 2:14 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:10:18 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sep 6, 1:43 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:11:13 -0700 (PDT), "Y.Porat" gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Sep 5, 1:45 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
>>>>> there is no 'gamma....except in aether theories
>>>>> ------------------
>>>>who told you that??
>
>>>>the gamma factor was the 'reason' for
>>>>the claim that no mass can reach c !!
>
>>>>wile v=c it becomes infinit !!
>>>>------------
>
>>>>>> any tome when ever you are pushed to   the corner
>>>>>>you will say      crap ??
>>>>>>that what will   make you  a productive scientist
>
>>>>>>a  REAL   scientist must have some intellectual integrity as well
>>>>>>or maybe a fucken   bump parasite ??
>
>>>>> Newton's correct equation is: a = F/m
>
>>>>and why not
>>>>F=ma ?? as well
>>>>just because you say so ??!!
>
>>> because 'a' is the dependent variable.
>>> -----------------------
>>so what??
>
>>v velocity    is also    a dependable variable so
>>it cannot be defined   as a physical entity ?? ??
>>anyway
>>any definition in our culture is done by using
>>other 'known' or acceptable to be known --terms
>
>>you cannot define anything   by ITSELF   !!!
>>we were dealing with mass
>>and the question is not
>>if we define it by otherterms or not
>>the question is whether we define it  CORRECT!!!
>>---------------
>>so waht i did
>>i took a formula that even you acccept
>>and interpretated it differently physically
>>you know why ??
>>because you as well INTERPRETED  IT
>>ARBITRARY    BY   YOUR INTERPREATTION
>>ans your interpretation is no better
>>than mine
>>actaualy mine i s   less arbitrary
>>but that is not for you or me to decide
>>it is for other peole to decide which   is more reasobable
>>and more compatible with  a  former accepted base
>>----
>
>>so again   F is not
>
>>F=Gamma  m a
>>but
>>F/Gamma = m a
>>and m remains constant
>
>>AS IT IS IN MACROCOSM
>>IT IS IN CHEMISTRY
>> etc etc
>>there was no reason at all even to start thinking
>>otherwise
>>now Dr genius
>>if you really want to unserstand how that harmful mistake started;
>
>>it started with a soopid extrapolation  people
>>of the idea that
>>NO MASS CAN REACH c   since
>>we know experimentally that
>>it becomes more and more difficult to add acceleration
>>to mass
>
> In an accelerator, yes. That's because of the 'Wilson reverse field bubble'.
> Cosmic rays move at >>c wrt earth. So do the muons they produce.
>
>
>
>
>
>>but no one considered thjat
>>(THE PHOTON ANS PHOTON MASS IS A LIMIT CASE
>>EVENAMTHEMATICALLY
>> and you cannot extrapolate endlessly  !!!!
>>THATS ALL!!
>
>>the experimental fact  DOES NOT TELL US** WHY**
>> IT IS MORE DIFFICULT
>>TO ADD ACCELERATION TO MASS
>>IT IS SOME   PEOPLE  *** INTERPRETATION***
>>FOR THAT FACT !!
>>and a wrong interpretation because   they ddint notice
>>that right under their nose there is a much   less problematic
>>interpretation
>>got it??
>>it is an   interpretation of a fact not a fact
>>and a great genius like PHD Wilson
>>should be able to make a difference between
>>experimental facts     and    **interpretations of facts !!!**
>
>>so
>>the form :
>
>>F'gamma = m  a
>>is less problematic(less contradictory to basics ) than the common
>>one
>
> Take Ohm's law.
> The correct version is I = V/R.
> Yet we also know by experiment that if a currect of I is flowing through a
> resistance, there will exist a voltage drop of V = RI across that resistance.
>
> y point, Porat, is that such twistiing of equations cannot bte used as
> definitions.
>
> A force cannot be defined by the math relationship: mass x acceleration.
> A force exists in its own right whether acceleration results or not.
>
>>-------------
>>ps
>>now     from now on please  be careful using the word 'crap'
>>if you consider yourself a responsible   scientist  !!
>>2
>>i am not a PHD      (:-)
>>i am something else ....just a  humble    Bsc
>>but a Bsc that did some more work beyond the Bsc
>>see my link
>>as published here before ........
>>that might  be even a little more than a Phd  .....
>>ATB
>
> I think you would be better off getting a Ba in English spelling and grammer so
> we might be able to understand what you are trying to say.
>
>>Y.Porat
>
>>>>and why not
>>>>m=f/a   as well??
>
>>>>just ebcause you dismiss it ??
>
> Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
>
> All religion involves selling a nonexistant concept to gullible fools. Einstein cleverly exploited this principle with his second postulate.- Hide quoted text -
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i am waisting my time on you

if youinsist on
i= V/R
and not for instance

V=I R
there is a difference between how it was
presented and found histirically
and how it can be useled **corerectly* later
just by another mathematical presetation
the maoin point is the differnce and undersatnding between
EXPERIMENTAL FACTS-
AND INTERPRETATIONS*** OF EXPERIMENTAL FACTS

so if after all your years in physics
you still didnt get it
sorry for your precious time
and my preciuos time !!

may be better be a teacher of histiry
not a teacher of physics

keep well
Y.Porat
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