Partical Accelerators use electro magnetic waves to accelerate
particals using their charge.

Since electro magnetic waves travel at speed "c" the max speed they
can force a charged partical is c.

Say there is a pipe of water and a ball in inside. And water is
travelling at 2 m/ s speed. How fast the ball can be moved.

1. initially ball is at rest.

2. slowly its speed is 1.999 m / s.

3. We keep increasing the flow of water at speed 2 m / s Then speed of
Ball reaches 1.999999 m /.s

But never the Ball will attacin 2 m / s Why?

Because 2 m/ s is the speed of water and due to viscosity and other
factors Ball can never travel faster than 2 m / s.

So you now understand why Partical Accelerators which uses electro
magnetic waves can never have a partical travel at speed c.

Bye
Sanny

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"Geneva, 25 August 2008. CERN has today announced the success of the
second and final test of the Large Hadron Collider’s beam
synchronization systems which will allow the LHC operations team to
inject the first beam into the LHC.

Friday evening 22 August, a single bunch of a few particles travelled
down the transfer line from the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS)
accelerator to the LHC. After a period of optimization, one bunch was
kicked up from the transfer line into the LHC beam pipe and steered
counter-clockwise about 3 kilometres around the LHC.

“Thanks to a fantastic team, both the clock-wise and counter-clockwise
tests went without a hitch. We look forward to a resounding success
when we make our first attempt to send a beam all the way around the
LHC,” said Lyn Evans, LHC Project Leader.

Both the counter-clockwise and clockwise tests are part of the
preparations to ready the LHC, the world’s most powerful particle
accelerator, for the eventual acceleration and collision of two beams
at an energy of 5 TeV per beam. This unprecedented event is foreseen
to take place by end 2008.

Sanny hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 2, 11:36 am, "Dirk Van de moortel"
nospAm.hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 2, 8:32 am, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 2, 8:32 am, Sanny hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 2, 12:04 pm, "Y.Porat" gmail.com> wrote:

Aren't you thinking of a balloon?

No

Try one more time with feeling

Sanny wrote:

No. You make unwarranted assumptions and conclusions.

First, Van de Graff used a d.c. potential to accelerate electrons to
relativistic speeds. As the potential is d.c. your claims don't apply,
but the electrons never exceeded speed c.

Second, while it is true that most modern accelerators use RF fields to
accelerate the particles, they are designed so the RF power is a
standing wave, carefully timed such that the particles enter the RF
cavity when the E field is already present so the particle is
accelerated. It should be obvious that this is the most efficient way to
accelerate particles (why put them into the cavities when there is no E
field present or it is aimed the wrong way?).

Even when in DC the Electric Field travels at speed of light "c".
Electric field speed is always "c".

On Sep 2, 4:28 pm, Errol gmail.com> wrote:

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ok one more time
with jsut one of my explaantion version: