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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 21, 2007 07:15
Because the financial world is "overly leveraged," psychologically and
materially inter-dependent and inter-dynamic
The "sub-prime" phenomena are alleged to be causing international
"insecurities" (all meanings).
FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC loans are apparently being massively
defaulted, or perceived to be.
These former quasi-government though now separate model financial
institutions aren't supposed to be backing or investing into "sub-
prime" risk.
I therefore interpret their stock collapses in the past three days as
a dynamic of the overall fragile credit situation.
I certainly hope my pessimistic hypothesis, thesis or observation
stated here is amateurish, idiocy, hot air, and thus blullshite;
thouigh I did want to publicly post
my irrational/rational fear and observation of what's on-going.
Solutions?
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Nov 21, 2007 21:47
On Nov 21, 10:15 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> Because the financial world is "overly leveraged," psychologically and
> materially inter-dependent and inter-dynamic
>
> The "sub-prime" phenomena are alleged to be causing international
> "insecurities" (all meanings).
>
> FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC loans are apparently being massively
> defaulted, or perceived to be.
>
> These former quasi-government though now separate model financial
> institutions aren't supposed to be backing or investing into "sub-
> prime" risk.
>
> I therefore interpret their stock collapses in the past three days as
> a dynamic of the overall fragile credit situation.
>
> I certainly hope my pessimistic hypothesis, thesis or observation
> stated here is amateurish, idiocy, hot air, and thus blullshite;
> thouigh I did want to publicly post ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 22, 2007 09:24
On Nov 22, 12:47 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 10:15 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>> Because the financial world is "overly leveraged," psychologically and
>> materially inter-dependent and inter-dynamic
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>> The "sub-prime" phenomena are alleged to be causing international
>> "insecurities" (all meanings).
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>> FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC loans are apparently being massively
>> defaulted, or perceived to be.
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>> These former quasi-government though now separate model financial
>> institutions aren't supposed to be backing or investing into "sub-
>> prime" risk.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Nov 22, 2007 15:09
"Economic safeguards that didn't exist before the Great Depression"
always seemed to be little more than wishful thinking.
Nevertheless there isn't going to be any great disaster in the next
few months.
The real security in today's economy, at least short term, is the
internet and the real threat is peak oil / global warming somewhat
longer term.
The poor will just have to wait until cheap communications finishes
off what is left of the corp. media and their control of politics.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 23, 2007 08:27
On Nov 23, 1:21 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 12:24 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>> On Nov 22, 12:47 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>> On Nov 21, 10:15 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>>>> Because the financial world is "overly leveraged," psychologically and
>>>> materially inter-dependent and inter-dynamic
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>>>> The "sub-prime" phenomena are alleged to be causing international
>>>> "insecurities" (all meanings).
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>>>> FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC loans are apparently being massively
>>>> defaulted, or perceived to be.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 23, 2007 12:00
On Nov 23, 11:27 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 1:21 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> On Nov 22, 12:24 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>>> On Nov 22, 12:47 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>>> On Nov 21, 10:15 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Because the financial world is "overly leveraged," psychologically and
>>>>> materially inter-dependent and inter-dynamic
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>>>>> The "sub-prime" phenomena are alleged to be causing international
>>>>> "insecurities" (all meanings).
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Nov 23, 2007 13:31
> and which imho negates the
> horse crape propaganda i was conditioned-brainwashed about freedom and
> capitalism in the USA: the two obviously are not neceesarily
> synonymous,
It wasn't just propaganda on competing economic theories, although
that's always a factor.
The major problem here is the _definition_ of freedom has changed.
Everyone knows about mission creep in Iraq. What they don't know
about is "definition creep."
Back when we had a good economy "freedom" meant free speech for
everyone on vital economic issues.
Now "freedom" means free speech only on naked nazi flagburner parades,
"bong hits for Jesus" and other corp. media hyped nonsense.
Today entire en banc federal appellate courts are terrified of anyone
invoking the First Amendment for speech on economic issues. They flee
before a single sheet of paper. It's quite a spectacle in the land of
the free and home of the brave.
Our original definition of "freedom" somehow ended up in China.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 23, 2007 18:11
On Nov 23, 4:31 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>> and which imho negates the
>> horse crape propaganda i was conditioned-brainwashed about freedom and
>> capitalism in the USA: the two obviously are not neceesarily
>> synonymous,
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> It wasn't just propaganda on competing economic theories, although
> that's always a factor.
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> The major problem here is the _definition_ of freedom has changed.
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> Everyone knows about mission creep in Iraq. What they don't know
> about is "definition creep."
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> Back when we had a good economy "freedom" meant free speech for
> everyone on vital economic issues.
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> Now "freedom" means free speech only on naked nazi flagburner parades,
> "bong hits for Jesus" and other corp. media hyped nonsense.
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Nov 23, 2007 18:25
On Nov 24, 6:31 am, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> Back when we had a good economy "freedom" meant free speech for
> everyone on vital economic issues.
So whats stopping ewe now from saying what ewe want to say on ecnomic
issues Bwet that wasn't there before?
MG
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Nov 23, 2007 21:44
On Nov 23, 11:27 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> The Chinese markets are now seemingly the strongest, (becoming the
> most productiuve, if not already) in the world now.
Judging by the minium wage? Sure, I guess the mill owner is doing
really well in China.
> The growth is so fast that the problems are pollution, potential
> inflation, potential chaos; though since they are still so tightly
> authoritarian controlled-structured..., and which imho negates the
> horse crape propaganda i was conditioned-brainwashed about freedom and
> capitalism in the USA: the two obviously are not neceesarily
> synonymous, but you will not hear the denouement or acknowledgment or
> poltical-intellectual admission too loudly in the West, except by your
> faithless schnook here in a sort of sin-a-cal note.
I imagine the minium wage is going to rise in china.. Damn those
slaves ;-)
I dont think you're thought this though..
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