On Jun 2, 10:00Â pm, PhaedraCeleste
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>>> On May 26, 7:40Â pm, "Mike Painter"
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>>> Michael Price wrote:
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>>> Â >>> He is wrong. A musician can play great music and not know much
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>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>> A shooter can be a great shot and not know the physics involved.
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>>>>>> He is NOT a ballistics expert as the people on the site I posted
>>>>>> are. Mathematics does not use theory, it uses proof and somebody
>>>>>> who actually was what you claim him to be would know and be able to
>>>>>> use the right words. It's worse than saying a weapon has a clip
>>>>>> when it has a magazine or not knowing why teh colt revolvers click
>>>>>> four times.
>>>>>> It is easy to demonstrate that those diagrams are right.
>>>>>> Bore sight on a target at your 100 yards and fire at it. Use a
>>>>>> laser. Mark the spot.
>>>>>> Your flat trajectory for 100 yard bullit with a 3000 fps muzzle
>>>>>> velocity will be about 3 inches below the mark.
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>>>> Â I make it 1/2 * 32 f/s^2 * (300f / 3000f/s)^2 = 16f/s^2 * (.01s^2)
>>>> =. 16f *12 in/f= 1.92 inches.
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>>> Yep. I used a large value of one when I rounded it up. I was supposed to
>>> write about 2"
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>>>>> No, I talked with the co-owner, he said, "Who the hell have you been
>>>>> talking to? First of all that is not how the formula works, and the
>>>>> answer is 1.2". Drop a 5 lb ball from a building, and a 2 lb ball.
>>>>> They hit the ground at the same time. Everybody knows that. Well,
>>>>> those are "dropped" not fired.
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>>>> Â This is irrevelent, things fall if they are not supported and things
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>>>> are not supported.
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>>> I posted a story about this from my high school days. A ball is released by
>>> a magnet as a projectile leaves the barrel of a "gun" on the other side of
>>> the room.
>>> The gun is bore sighted on the ball. Both projectile and ball drop at the
>>> same rate so the ball gets hit every time. The (Jesuit priest) physics
>>> instructor used objects big enough and velicities slow enough so you could
>>> see it happen.
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>>> Not however that the "formula" mentioned may have included drag and 1.2 is
>>> closer to 1.92 than the "zero drop for 100 yards claimed"
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>>>>> They are not different bullet calibers and shapes, and different
>>>>> powder charges.
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>>>> Â So what, they're not on a different planet and therefore they fall
>>>> at the same rate (less air resistance which is insignificant for falls
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>>>> a few seconds).
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>>>>> I don't know why you would have a conversation with someone like
>>>>> that, but he is wrong, and doesn't know what the hell he is talkng
>>>>> about. Don't shoot with him, as he doesn't know "squat" about
>>>>> guns, and obviously doesn't shoot.
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>>>> Â Why because he disagrees with someone who you think knows physics
>>>> but doesn't?
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>>>>> If you shoot with him, keep an eye on him, because that doesn't even
>>>>> make any sense. You would have to make a .170 to come up with that
>>>>> velocity, or a varmit .22 with your own powder charge to come up with
>>>>> that a 3000 fps speed. What the hell are you doing now to ask those
>>>>> kind of questions?"
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>>>> Â What the hell does that have to do with it?
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>>>>> I explained, and he said, "Well, the guy doesn't
>>>>> know squat about guns, stay away from him until some one gives him
>>>>> some instruction. He doesn't know anything about guns, he'll just get
>>>>> you hurt"
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>>>> Â And why should we believe him? Â Why should we even believe he
>>>> exists?
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>>>>> Sorry Mike, but this guy is a little blunter, and 3000 fps
>>>>> is awfully high. Better luck next time, I can't argue with them.
>>>>> They are experts, and we are not. Ken Hogan
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>>>> Â You are not. Â We however are expert enough to know high school
>>>> physics which you evidently flunked.
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>>> I picked 3000 fps because It worked nicely with the 300 feet in 100 yards
>>> and I could do the math in my head.
>>> Had I use the .45 at 850 fps or so and a distance of 100 feet teh drop would
>>> have been about 2.66 inches.
>>> Backlit by jeep headlights at night you can actually watch the .45 Â and see
>>> the arch  it travels over relatrively short distances. I've fired hundreds
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>> Every day I strap on a Glock .45 loaded with Gold Dot Personal
>> Pertection 230 grain bulllets, bullet type GDHP.
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> as I'm not familiar with guns and the like thus I'm not sure of the
> specs of what you described but if you do that every morning I find
> that to be very interesting (if not a bit erotic ;) I really have
> little knowledge of guns, munitions and the like, haven't had contact
> with such since my college days when I used to go to skeet shoots-
> PULL! lol (and skeet never seems to be in season around here anyhow!
> lol) my most recent involvement with any sort of guns was with in a
> literary writing "Before You Know Kindness" not a great book but
> entertaining beach fare
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No, it depends on what you are going to use it for as to what you get.
First, have you handled automatic pistols before? If not, and still
want one, my suggestion is a Glock .45, either a 30 or I think the new
one is a 36. The recoil is something you can handle, and it will have
plenty of knock down power. Use .230 grain hollow points, I use
Speer, but most of the hollow points are good. The only thing about a
Kimber is that it is delicate, and will jam, you have to clean it
often. It is pretty, and a Glock is ugly, but you can drop a Glock in
mud, leave it, and pick it up and fire it. A Kimber will jam easily.
As Tommy Lee Jones said, "Get rid of the sissy silver gun and get a
Glock." But if you are not willing to practice once a month, learn
how to break it down and clean it and become it's buddy, you don't
need an automatic at all. A revolver, a .38 special or a .357 magnum
is your best bet. It is simple to use, if you get a .357 magnum,
which I recommend, don't get a really short barrel. A 4" barrel will
give you a kick you can handle. I have a collector's model of a .357
magnum with a 2-1/2" barrel and it sounds like a .44 magnum going
off. You can reduce the kick even more by shooting .38 specials in
the .357, and it's cheaper to shoot. That is what I would get if you
have little experience with pistols. If it is strictly for home
defense, and you never intend to take it out of the house, the best
weapon to have is a 12 ga. pump shotgun with .000 buckshot in the
shells. When you jack that pump and a person keeps coming, there is
no doubt they are crazy. Nobody can mistake the sound of a 12 ga.
having a shell pumped into the chamber. The sound is unmistakable.
So, what are you planning to use this weapon for? To take with you,
or home defense, or both? It all depends. Let's hear back on that.
Ken Hogan
