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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Mar 29, 2008 16:31
"Palaeoanthropologists at the Max Planck Institute, in collaboration
with scientists at 454 Life Sciences Corp., of Branford, Connecticut,
have begun a two-year project to sequence the neanderthal genome. The
start of the Neanderthal Genome Project coincides with the 150th
anniversary of the discovery of the specimen-type Homo
neanderthalensis fossil in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf,
Germany.
The ancestor of the chimpanzee, our closest living relative, split
from ours about 7 million years ago. According to archaeological,
palaeontological and molecular genetic data, modern humans and
neanderthals both evolved from Homo erectus, with the two lineages
diverging about 300,000 years ago. These data also support the
hypothesis that modern humans arose relatively recently in Africa, and
suggest that neanderthals were unlikely to have interbred with, or
contributed any genes to, modern humans.
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Mar 30, 2008 02:47
Here today, and gone tomorrow?
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Mar 30, 2008 09:08
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of
> science and technology made H. sapiens the most successful (and
> destructive) species in the history of life on Earth.
I can not see any basis for this statement other than "rah-rah-yea us".
Humans have spent an infinitesimal amount of time on earth compared to
other species, sharks for example. I believe in evolutionary terms
success is measured in longevity not who leaves the biggest footprint.
"Manipulation of the environment" has always suggested that humans
'ruled' or 'conquered' their environment. If plain manipulation of
environment is the gage here then ants and maybe worms among others might
be the super species. Bacteria and viruses are also contenders.
The only reason I question or challenge this human uber alles mentality
is that it has led to an unhealthy arrogance. A sort of Titanic mentality
maybe not even 'sort of' either.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Mar 30, 2008 13:28
On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
>> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
>> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of
>> science and technology made H. sapiens the most successful (and
>> destructive) species in the history of life on Earth.
>
> I can not see any basis for this statement other than "rah-rah-yea us".
> Humans have spent an infinitesimal amount of time on earth compared to
> other species, sharks for example. I believe in evolutionary terms
> success is measured in longevity not who leaves the biggest footprint.
>
> "Manipulation of the environment" has always suggested that humans
> 'ruled' or 'conquered' their environment. If plain manipulation of
> environment is the gage here then ants and maybe worms among others might
> be the super species. Bacteria and viruses are also contenders.
>
> The only reason I question or challenge this human uber alles mentality ...
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Mar 30, 2008 14:02
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
>On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>>> among other animals...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Mar 31, 2008 23:05
On Mar 30, 5:02 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>>On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>>>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>>>> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
>>>> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
>>>> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of
>>>> science and technology made H. sapiens the most successful (and
>>>> destructive) species in the history of life on Earth.
>
>>> I can not see any basis for this statement other than "rah-rah-yea us".
>>> Humans have spent an infinitesimal amount of time on earth compared to
>>> other species, sharks for example. I believe in evolutionary terms
>>> success is measured in longevity not who leaves the biggest footprint.
>
>>> "Manipulation of the environment" has always suggested that humans
>>> 'ruled' or 'conquered' their environment. If plain manipulation of
>>> environment is the gage here then ants and maybe worms among others might
>>> be the super species. Bacteria and viruses are also contenders. ...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Apr 1, 2008 15:37
"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:v6vvu3p7gbd3h4cn1fo9lv5pm9402ta1c0@4ax.com...> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net>
> wrote:
>>>On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>>>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>>>> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
>>>> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
>>>> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of
>>>> science and technology made H. sapiens the most successful (and
>>>> destructive) species in the history of life on Earth.
>>>
>>> I can not see any basis for this statement other than "rah-rah-yea us".
>>> Humans have spent an infinitesimal amount of time on earth compared to
>>> other species, sharks for example. I believe in evolutionary terms
>>> success is measured in longevity not who leaves the biggest footprint.
>>>
>>> "Manipulation of the environment" has always suggested that humans ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 1, 2008 22:28
On Apr 1, 6:37 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:> "Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net>
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>>>On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>>>>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>>>>> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
>>>>> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
>>>>> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of
>>>>> science and technology made H. sapiens the most successful (and
>>>>> destructive) species in the history of life on Earth. ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 1, 2008 22:37
On Apr 2, 1:28 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Apr 1, 6:37 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>>> "Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message>
>>news:v6vvu3p7gbd3h4cn1fo9lv5pm9402ta1c0@ 4ax.com... >
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net>
>>> wrote:>
>>>>On Mar 30, 12:08 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:31:21 -0700, turtoni wrote:
>>>>>> There is no doubt that it is the brain that makes our species unique
>>>>>> among other animals. The versatility of our brain enabled early humans
>>>>>> to manipulate the environment to a far greater extent than any other
>>>>>> species; the invention of tools and weapons and the development of ...
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