>
> ZerkonX wrote:

>>
>> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:07:50 -0700, sirblob2 wrote:
>>

>>> actually im looking for references for this in ancient greek
>>> philosophers. which ones of those clever chops had a nice go at it? or
>>> was it ruskin?

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>> =======================
>> King Lear..
>>
>> O, reason not the need:
>>
>> our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous:
>>
>> Allow not nature more than nature needs, Man's life's as cheap as
>> beast's:
>> =======================
>>
>> Lear may have said (badly):
>>
>> Reason not the need but the want.
>>
>> Allow not nature more than nature needs, Man's life's as cheap as
>> beast's, 'Tis want that makes Man's life above the dirt.

>
> If I tell a girl, "I need you."
> And I tell the same girl "I want you."...
>
> that's two different things.
>
> One is an undesirable control, and the other is a controled
> determination.
>
> If a guy puts a gun to your head and demands your money it's because he
> needs it, not
> because he wants it...otherwise, if he justed wanted your money he would
> sell you something,
> and you would take it out of your pocket and give it to him.
>
> Obvisouly, the original poster *needed* to ask the question.