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What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Sep 29, 2006 16:54

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19125710.900-whats-done-is-done...
What's done is done...or is it?
28 September 2006
Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition.
Patrick Barry

How to change the past

Ever wish you could reach back in time and change the past? Maybe you'd like to take back an unfortunate voicemail message, or
rephrase what you just said to your boss. Or perhaps you've even dreamed of tweaking the outcome of yesterday's lottery to make
yourself the winner.

Common sense tells us that influencing the past is impossible - what's done is done, right? Even if it were possible, think of the
mind-bending paradoxes it would create. While tinkering with the past, you might change the circumstances by which your parents met,
derailing the key event that led to your birth.

Such are the perils of retrocausality, the idea that the present can affect the past, and the future can affect the present. Strange
as it sounds, retrocausality is perfectly permissible within the known laws of nature. It has been debated for decades, mostly in
the realm of philosophy and quantum physics. Trouble is, nobody has done the experiment to show it happens in the real world, so the
door remains wide open for a demonstration.
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: Brian Fletcher
Date: Sep 30, 2006 01:47

"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:i5crh2h94mclhka6pbp0fopqk9gev00noc@4ax.com...
> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19125710.900-whats-done-is-done...
> What's done is done...or is it?
> 28 September 2006
> Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition.
> Patrick Barry
>
> How to change the past
>
> Ever wish you could reach back in time and change the past? Maybe you'd
> like to take back an unfortunate voicemail message, or
> rephrase what you just said to your boss. Or perhaps you've even dreamed
> of tweaking the outcome of yesterday's lottery to make
> yourself the winner.
>
> Common sense tells us that influencing the past is impossible - what's
> done is done, right? Even if it were possible, think of the
> mind-bending paradoxes it would create. While tinkering with the past, you
> might change the circumstances by which your parents met, ...
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: tooly
Date: Sep 30, 2006 05:10

"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:i5crh2h94mclhka6pbp0fopqk9gev00noc@4ax.com...
> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19125710.900-whats-done-is-done...
> What's done is done...or is it?
> 28 September 2006
> Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition.
> Patrick Barry
>
> How to change the past
>
> Ever wish you could reach back in time and change the past? Maybe you'd
> like to take back an unfortunate voicemail message, or
> rephrase what you just said to your boss. Or perhaps you've even dreamed
> of tweaking the outcome of yesterday's lottery to make
> yourself the winner.
>
> Common sense tells us that influencing the past is impossible - what's
> done is done, right? Even if it were possible, think of the
> mind-bending paradoxes it would create. While tinkering with the past, you
> might change the circumstances by which your parents met, ...
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Sep 30, 2006 16:54

Brian Fletcher wrote:
>
> I dont meet and talk to anyone who is not receptive to the understanding
> that problems unsolved are problems revisited ,often based on their
> suspicions of their own experiences, but always acknowledged by their
> observations of others' patterns.
>
> Retrogressive therapies are main stream medicine these days, where "going
> back in time" is exactly what happens.
>
> BOfL.

Brian:
Your use of "going back in time" is figurative, right?? A mental
exercise to revisit that, which has already occurred, in your mind.

Sir Frederick always seems to find this interesting, yet controversial
subject matter, to post. I "literally" find a logical paradox that
can't (IMHO) be overcome to the H.G Wells version of time travel;
i.e. actual travel to a time past (or scarier, a future event). It
wasn't what you meant, was it??
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: mikegordge
Date: Sep 30, 2006 17:08

kevirwin wrote:
> subject matter, to post. I "literally" find a logical paradox..

Thats an oxymoron, if its logical then there's no paradox.

Paradox is the name given to a illogical state of mind, a name given to
a conclusion based on a faulty premise is illogical, paradox do not
exist in reality, they exist in the minds of fools, you're a fool.

Persuade me dont force me.

Michael Gordge
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Sep 30, 2006 17:25

mikegordge@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> kevirwin wrote:
>> subject matter, to post. I "literally" find a logical paradox..
>
>
> Thats an oxymoron, if its logical then there's no paradox.
>
> Paradox is the name given to a illogical state of mind, a name given to
> a conclusion based on a faulty premise is illogical, paradox do not
> exist in reality, they exist in the minds of fools, you're a fool.
>
> Persuade me dont force me.
>
>
> Michael Gordge

Consider it a syntactical error, jerk-off . Remove the "logical",
if you can't read it figuratively.
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: mikegordge
Date: Sep 30, 2006 17:32

kevirwin wrote:
>
> The point is (which you never get): "actual" time travel is
> logically impossible

The point is HOW do you know that? The reason I ask is because you used
the phrase *logical paradox* when there are no such things in logic and
because of your unanswered stance on that agnostic god crap, clearly
shows you arrive at most of your conclusions via accidents and not via
reason.

Michael Gordge
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Sep 30, 2006 17:57

mikegor...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> kevirwin wrote:
>>
>> The point is (which you never get): "actual" time travel is
>> logically impossible
>
> The point is HOW do you know that? The reason I ask is because you used
> the phrase *logical paradox* when there are no such things in logic and
> because of your unanswered stance on that agnostic god crap, clearly
> shows you arrive at most of your conclusions via accidents and not via
> reason.
>
>
> Michael Gordge

Ahhh, the vestiges of an actual thought!!!! (of course you needed to
add an insult at the end).
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: mikegordge
Date: Sep 30, 2006 18:13

kevirwin wrote:
> (of course you needed to
> add an insult at the end).

Insults are self inflicted, glad I could provide you with the material.
>
> How do you arrive at your conclusions??

For the zillionth time, via non-contradictory identification and
integration of the material / matter / information of my senses eyes
ears nose feel touch.

The ability to identify contradictions especially in ideas is something
I specialize in.

Unless any and all ideas can be reduced right back down to an
irreducable and sensory level of perception, then that idea is born in
or of the mind and man trusts any and all such ideas at his peril, e.g.
the god nonsense and your greater good socialist crap.
> Are you telling me that you
> believe (and define it anyway it makes sense to you) "actual" time
> travel is possible?
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Re: What's done is done...or is it?         


Author: Wordsmith
Date: Sep 30, 2006 18:38

Sir Frederick wrote:
> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg19125710.900-whats-done-is-done...
> What's done is done...or is it?
> 28 September 2006
> Exclusive from New Scientist Print Edition.
> Patrick Barry
>
> How to change the past
>
> Ever wish you could reach back in time and change the past? Maybe you'd like to take back an unfortunate voicemail message, or
> rephrase what you just said to your boss. Or perhaps you've even dreamed of tweaking the outcome of yesterday's lottery to make
> yourself the winner.
>
> Common sense tells us that influencing the past is impossible - what's done is done, right? Even if it were possible, think of the
> mind-bending paradoxes it would create. While tinkering with the past, you might change the circumstances by which your parents met,
> derailing the key event that led to your birth.
>
> Such are the perils of retrocausality, the idea that the present can affect the past, and the future can affect the present. Strange
> as it sounds, retrocausality is perfectly permissible within the known laws of nature. It has been debated for decades, mostly in
> the realm of philosophy and quantum physics. Trouble is, nobody has done the experiment to show it happens in the real world, so the ...
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