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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: saint7peter
Date: Jun 24, 2008 18:31

On Jun 24, 6:16 pm, "Mary Hogan" zoominternet.net> wrote:
> "Al Smith" address.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Al Smith" address.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> I hope I didn't waste my time on someone
>>>>> who is in the dark; I thought you might be able to perceive it, or I
>>>>> wouldn't have bothered; it's late, and I'm tired.
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>>>> Hmm, how shall I respond to this comment? By pointing out that nobody
>>>> held a gun to your head and ordered you to post? It takes energy for me
>>>> to post, just as it does for you to post. Or by saying that you are
>>>> reacting with irritation simply because I don't fall down and fawn at
>>>> your feet ... the same reaction as that of r, and Adam, in their
>>>> rebellion. The wonderful thing about Gnostics is that we seek the truth.
>>>> If the truth leads me to your ideas, I will embrace them. If it does
>>>> not, I will reject them.
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>>>> -Al-
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>>> Using Yud Kay Vav Kay is a chilul Hashem, a desecration of Hashem's name.
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>> Could be worse. I could have used the true name. But then all the walls
>> would have fallen down.
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>>> You say: If the truth leads me to your ideas, I will embrace them.
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>>> Here is a little warning, the yetzer hara, the evil inclination is loud
>>> and demanding.  The Yetzer Tov the good inclination only suggests.  You
>>> have shown that you are open and free game to the yetzer hara, the soton.
>>> If you are lead to something because it tickles your fancy, you are in
>>> big trouble.
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>> That sort of judgmental about somebody you don't even know. I'm following
>> Scriptures, and the Ecclesiastical Scriptures, and the Apocrypha, and the
>> books that don't even rate with biblical types as sacred, but should, such
>> as the Hermetic books and the Gnostic gospels, wherever they lead in an
>> effort to understand spiritual truth.
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>> I care nothing at all for the authority of the Church. The Ante-Nicene
>> fathers are interesting to read, and contain a great deal of useful
>> wisdom, but I don't assume they know any more than I do about what is true
>> and what is false. The same with those who wrote the Gospels. They were
>> men, and they belonged to the early Christian Church, and they had various
>> doctrinal axes to grind when they crafted the Gospels. I don't regard them
>> as having been any closer to spiritual truth than I am.
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>> This is the only way to arrive at truth -- to follow it anywhere and
>> everywhere it appears, and not to be discouraged or misled by the
>> assertions of other men. I have no awe of any authority under the sun/son.
>> There is not a man alive, or a man who ever lived, about whom I would say,
>> "He is so much wiser than me, I will disregard my own intuitions of truth
>> and simply accept what he tells me." No. Not for any man. Not for Jesus
>> himself.
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>> The truth is higher than the Church fathers, higher than the Torah
>> commentators such as the RamBam and Rashi, higher than the Gospels, higher
>> than Jesus. The truth is the only thing I worship. And that is why I refer
>> to myself as a Gnostic.
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>>> If you have the Torah to back up your decision, you are blessed.  It
>>> takes years and eternities to fully comprehend Torah
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> It takes eternity, Al
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> You ought to get 'Strive for Truth'  Rav Dessler.  I wouldn't usually
> suggest a book that isn't pure Torah, but Michtav Me'Elyahu will open your
> eyes to the fact that you've been deluding yourself.  It opens my eyes every
> morning when I study it how I still delude myself.
> You can get it at Feldheim, they have a big sale going onhttp://www.feldheim.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi
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> It is a way to look at your life more clearly.
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> R
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>> I've been studying the Kabbalah for around 30 years. I have a complete set
>> of Rashi's Commentaries on the Pentateuch on the bookshelf behind me. I've
>> read the Bible, Old and New, extensively. I've picked my way through the
>> Hebrew bible with the help of Gesenius's Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon. And I
>> don't claim to know anything. I'm still learning new things every day.
>> That's why I post here, to learn. Not to be told what to believe, but to
>> encounter new ideas and be challenged on my old ideas.
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> I have spent years in Ramchal, Derech Hashem, or Path of the Just.  You
> should see my desk, it is space ship Mary Talmud on the left Torah on the
> left and the right.  I am flanked, and its a mitzvah.
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> Here is where I have spent my life for the last 5 1/2 years:
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> . Divrei Hayamim I and II, Rashi Bereishis (the following Rashi's are all on
> my desk and used daily), Rashi Shemos, Rashi Vayikra, Rashi Bamidbar, Rashi
> Devarim, Baal Ha Turim Bereishis, Ramban Bereishis I and II, Yehoshua, Ezra,
> Nehemiah, Samuel I and II in one volume, Ruth, Kol Dodi Megillah, Koheles,
> Mishlei, Tehillim I and II, Iyov, Yechezkel, Yirmiyahu ( Me'am Loez),
> Yishyahu (Me'am Loez), Daniel, Trei Asor, Yonah, Shir Ha Shirim, I&II Kings
> Pirkei Avos Rav Chaim Volozhon, Derech Hashem Ramchal..Aryeh Kaplan, Sefer
> Yezirah, Moreh Nevuchim (Partial), Talmuds: Avodah Zarah I, Taanis, Berachos
> I, Sanhedrin III, Chovos HaLevavos - R' Bachya Mesilas Yesharim - Ramchal
> Michtav Me'Eliyahu - R' Dessler
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> I think I am missing some.
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> Although Kabbalah has filtered through, I do not attempt to study it deeply
> because I have too much more Torah to learn, and I don't have a teacher.  I
> know that a person can impact the spiritual world in a negative way, and I
> don't want to be the one who does Baruch Hashem.
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> I also use the Caldee, but my Hebrew is improving and I use it less often.
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> I read every portion in Hebrew and English out loud.  I never study without
> verbalizing each word and letter.
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>> If my studies have taught me anything useful, it is to be skeptical of
>> authority, all forms of authority. I don't believe it is necessary to put
>> your brain on hold in order to approach God. Blind faith is a tragedy.
>> When I see it, I feel embarrassed for the person who displays it.
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>> -Al-

I like the approach of Al, and why not, since Aleph Lambda is the
Hebrew word for God. I warn both of you, however, not to fall into
the deep pit of intellectual pride. From what I understand, that is
one of the biggest barriers to spiritual attainment. That sin is
often ascribed to LUCIFER, but my own meditations do not bear that
out. The unfallen LUCIFER is about enlightenment and the
transcendence of the false God, i.e. the God of Moses. Both Jesus and
Lucifer were persecuted by the false God, and there seems to be a
rather close identity between Jesus and Lucifer. Jesus fulfilled all
the vows of Lucifer, and the condemnation of Lucifer by the false God
seems to fit Jesus to a tee.
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