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Author: sirblob2
Date: Apr 1, 2007 20:36

On 1 avr, 12:47, strabo flashlight.net> wrote:
> sirblob wrote:
>> On 30 mar, 01:20, Howard Brazee brazee.net> wrote:
>>> On 29 Mar 2007 15:11:39 -0700, "1Z" yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Libertarians are the Irreligious Right.
>>> I'd say Big Business fits that better.
>
>>> Libertarianism isn't conservative. It doesn't hark back to what we
>>> think were the values we developed when we were young. Libertarianism
>>> is closer to what Liberalism was before it gained power. (And if it
>>> ever gains power, it too will be corrupted).
>
>> it's just a bullshit word. a cool one adopted by the far right when it
>> realised neoconservative was an uncool one. these very far right wing
>> nutjobs who deny this bullshit doublespeak are then the first to point
>> out that liberals dont deserve the word ''liberal''.
>
> libertarian
>
> [Origin: 1780-90; libert(y) + -arian]
>
> 1. a person who advocates liberty, esp. with regard to thought or
> conduct.
> 2. a person who maintains the doctrine of free will (distinguished from
> necessitarian).
> 3. advocating liberty or conforming to principles of liberty.
> 4. maintaining the doctrine of free will.
>
> 1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing
> the role of the state.
>
> 2. One who believes in free will.
>

a libertarian is whatever follows from the word ''liberty'':

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
lib·er·ty /ˈlɪbərti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[lib-er-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction,
hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking,
speaking, etc., according to choice.
4. freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint: The
prisoner soon regained his liberty.
5. permission granted to a sailor, esp. in the navy, to go ashore.
6. freedom or right to frequent or use a place: The visitors were
given the liberty of the city.
7. unwarranted or impertinent freedom in action or speech, or a form
or instance of it: to take liberties.
8. a female figure personifying freedom from despotism.
—Idiom
9. at liberty,
a. free from captivity or restraint.
b. unemployed; out of work.
c. free to do or be as specified: You are at liberty to leave at any
time during the meeting.
[Origin: 1325–75; ME liberte < MF < L lībertās, equiv. to līber free +
-tās -ty2]

—Synonyms 4. liberation. See freedom. 6. franchise, permission,
license, privilege, immunity.
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Lib·er·ty /ˈlɪbərti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[lib-er-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a town in W Missouri. 16,251.
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source
lib·er·ty (lĭb'ər-tē) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. lib·er·ties

1.
1. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
2. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in
a manner of one's own choosing.
3. The condition of being physically and legally free from
confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.
4. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social
convention. Often used in the plural.
5. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by
conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties
with chronology.
6. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on
the ski slopes.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control
or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
4.
1. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social
convention. Often used in the plural.
2. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by
conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties
with chronology.
3. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on
the ski slopes.
5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to
go ashore.

[Middle English liberte, from Old French, from Latin lībertās, from
līber, free; see leudh- in Indo-European roots.]

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Online Etymology Dictionary - Cite This Source
liberty
c.1375, from O.Fr. liberté "freedom," from L. libertatem (nom.
libertas) "freedom, condition of a freeman," from liber "free" (see
liberal)

"The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure it is
right." [Learned Hand, 1944]

Nautical sense of "leave of absence" is from 1758. To take liberties
"go beyond the bounds of propriety" is from 1625. Sense of
"privileges" led to sense of "a person's private land" (1455), which
yielded sense in 18c. England and America of "a district within a
county but having its own justice of the peace," and also "a district
adjacent to a city but under its municipal jurisdiction" (e.g.
Northern Liberties of Philadelphia).

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liberty

noun
1. immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political
independence [syn: autonomy]
2. freedom of choice; "liberty of opinion"; "liberty of worship";
"liberty--perfect liberty--to think or feel or do just as one
pleases"; "at liberty to choose whatever occupation one wishes"
3. personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression
4. leave granted to a sailor or naval officer [syn: shore leave]
5. an act of undue intimacy [syn: familiarity]

WordNet® 2.1, © 2005 Princeton University
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liberty

see at liberty; take the liberty of.
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liberty1 [ˈlibəti] noun
freedom from captivity or from slavery
Example: He ordered that all prisoners should be given their liberty.
Arabic: حُريَّه، إطْلاق سَراح
Chinese (Simplified): 自由
Chinese (Traditional): 解放, 釋放
Czech: svoboda
Danish: frihed
Dutch: vrijheid
Estonian: vabadus
Finnish: vapaus
French: liberté
German: die Freiheit
Greek: ελευθερία (μετά από αιχμαλωσία ή σκλαβιά)
Hungarian: szabadság
Icelandic: frelsi
Indonesian: kemerdekaan
Italian: libertà

Japanese: 解放
Korean: 해방, 석방
Latvian: brīvība
Lithuanian: laisvė
Norwegian: frihet
Polish: wolność
Portuguese (Brazil): liberdade
Portuguese (Portugal): liberdade
Romanian: libertate
Russian: свобода
Slovak: sloboda
Slovenian: prostost
Spanish: libertad
Swedish: frihet
Turkish: özgürlük, hürriyet
liberty2 [ˈlibəti] noun
freedom to do as one pleases
Example: Children have a lot more liberty now than they used to.
Arabic: حُريَّه
Chinese (Simplified): 自由
Chinese (Traditional): 自由
Czech: svoboda
Danish: frihed
Dutch: vrijheid
Estonian: vabadus
Finnish: vapaus
French: liberté
German: die Freiheit
Greek: ελευθερία (να κάνει κπ. ό,τι θέλει)
Hungarian: szabadság
Icelandic: frjálsræði
Indonesian: kebebasan
Italian: libertà

Japanese: 自由
Korean: 자유
Latvian: brīvība
Lithuanian: laisvė
Norwegian: frihet
Polish: swoboda
Portuguese (Brazil): liberdade
Portuguese (Portugal): liberdade
Romanian: liber­tate
Russian: свобода
Slovak: sloboda
Slovenian: svoboda
Spanish: libertad
Swedish: frihet
Turkish: özgürlük, serbestlik
liberty3 [ˈlibəti] noun
(especially with take) too great freedom of speech or action
Example: I think it was (taking) a liberty to ask her such a question!
Arabic: حُريَّة الكَلام
Chinese (Simplified): 自由
Chinese (Traditional): 冒昧, 失禮
Czech: opovážlivost
Danish: frihed
Dutch: vrijpostigheid
Estonian: (endale) vabadus(t võtma)
Finnish: ottaa vapaus
French: liberté
German: die Ungehörigkeit
Greek: υπερβολικό θάρρος
Hungarian: merészség
Icelandic: vera nærgöngull; taka sér bessaleyfi
Indonesian: lancang
Italian: libertà

Japanese: 勝手なふるまい
Korean: 방종
Latvian: vaļība; familiaritāte
Lithuanian: pernelyg didelis laisvumas, familiarumas, įžūlumas
Norwegian: (ta seg den) frihet (å)
Polish: tupet
Portuguese (Brazil): liberdade
Portuguese (Portugal): liberdade
Romanian: insolenţă
Russian: вольность
Slovak: opovážlivosť
Slovenian: predrznost
Spanish: libertad
Swedish: friheter
Turkish: cüret, küstahlık
See also: liberties, take the liberty of

Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary (Beta Version), © 2000-2006
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Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law - Cite This Source

Main Entry: lib·er·ty
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural -ties
1 a : freedom from external (as governmental) restraint, compulsion,
or interference in engaging in the pursuits or conduct of one's choice
to the extent that they are lawful and not harmful to others b :
enjoyment of the rights enjoyed by others in a society free of
arbitrary or unreasonable limitation or interference
2 : freedom from physical restraint
3 : freedom from subjection to the will of another claiming ownership
or services
4 : RIGHT by the Fourteenth Amendment —W. Railroad LaFave and J. H. Israel>
> 1789, "one who holds the doctrine of free will" (opposed to
> necessitarian), from liberty (q.v.) on model of unitarian, etc.
> Political sense of "person advocating liberty in thought and conduct" is
> from 1878. U.S. Libertarian Party founded in Colorado, 1971.

goodness me, that late?!??! 1971!!!?? where the hell were all the
''libertarians'' before!?!? or did they just appear from nowhere!!!wel
you just proved my point. the ''libertarian party'' has been filled up
with recycled fascists. ie fascists who realised they needed a cool
word when the consensus to choose between pseudo-options suddenly came
about, much to their chagrin, after a suffrage that wasn't brought
about by them. in a post-political scenario and as a way to further
narrow the possibilities to choose from the pseudo-different-and-more-
moderate-when-in-face-further-to-the-right-from-the-neocon
''libertarian'' party couldnt have been founded at a better time than
1971...

in other words, while liberty means any simple case of anti-
authoritarianism, fascists have spun its meaning out of control.
>
>> ''libertarianism'' is a propaganda term and it will be adopted by
>> everyone in the 21th century. the most dangerous are those who label
>> themselves ''libertarianism''.
>
>> this brand of ''libertarianism'' isn't some pure thing that'll become
>> somehow ''corrupted' in power''. it's an insidious ideology. and all
>> that stuff about how much they hate bush is an act built on the notion
>> that the president's become such an uncool figure. the iraq war isn't
>> big business, it's follow the money...
>
> Sloppy, even for a paid hack.
>

the ''libertarians'' who have control over the republican party are
the smart ones who took the u.s. to vietnam and iraq. the neocons in
the republican party are the idiots who thought they were in for a
good cause.
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