>This is one of the more important discussions on this NG. In my own
>thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon which
>to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or...

> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG.  In my own
> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon which
> to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or another; with optimism,
> pessimism, or hopelessness].
>
> Consciousness must be vindicated as 'real' in, and of, itself [just to get a
> rise out of you know who].
>
> If it is an illusion, we are not real.  The nihilists win. We ALL lose.
>
> But if it's substance is material, even if only an extension of matter,
> well, I think we all may need to visit our churches and synagogues at least
> one more time, at least as some starting point to regain a vision of that
> idea beyond our matter.
>
> Anyway, what's the latest word on this important...

> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG. In my own
> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon
> which to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or another; with
> optimism, pessimism, or hopelessness].
>
> Consciousness must be vindicated as 'real' in, and of, itself [just to get
> a rise out of you know who].
>
> If it is an illusion, we are not real. The nihilists win. We ALL lose.
>
> But if it's substance is material, even if only an extension of matter,
> well, I think we all may need to visit our churches and synagogues at
> least one more time, at least as some starting point to regain a vision of
> that idea beyond our matter.
>
> Anyway, what's the latest word on this important focus? Nerve endings
> notwithstanding. Just brain waves and illusory? Or some sort of guiding
> light of that matter to evolve? ...

> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG.  In my own
> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon which
> to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or another; with optimism,
> pessimism, or hopelessness].
>
> Consciousness must be vindicated as 'real' in, and of, itself [just to get a
> rise out of you know who].
>
> If it is an illusion, we are not real.  The nihilists win. We ALL lose.
>
> But if it's substance is material, even if only an extension of matter,
> well, I think we all may need to visit our churches and synagogues at least
> one more time, at least as some starting point to regain a vision of that
> idea beyond our matter.
>
> Anyway, what's the latest word on this important...

>On Mar 10, 1:10 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG.  In my own
>> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon...

> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG. In my own
> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon
> which
> to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or another; with optimism,
> pessimism, or hopelessness].
>
> Consciousness must be vindicated as 'real' in, and of, itself [just to get
> a
> rise out of you know who].
>
> If it is an illusion, we are not real. The nihilists win. We ALL lose.
>
> But if it's substance is material, even if only an extension of matter,
> well, I think we all may need to visit our churches and synagogues at
> least
> one more time, at least as some starting point to regain a vision of that
> idea beyond our matter. ...

> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2dfc9697-23ff-4d3e-8a60-97cbf1542d39@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 10, 1:10 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

>> This is one of the more important discussions on this NG. In my own
>> thinking, it all comes down to this question as a central fulcrum upon
>> which
>> to base an ongoing philosophy of life [one way or another; with optimism,
>> pessimism, or hopelessness].

>

>> Consciousness must be vindicated as 'real' in, and of, itself [just to get
>> a
>> rise out of you know who].

> ...