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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Nov 21, 2007 11:40
The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind 'coming together' in a
particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
'aesthetic' property itself.
Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
In this sense, where artefacts are said to be independently
aesthetically beautiful, 'beauty' here is trophyism and divisive, and
the viewed object reduced to a counterfeit of its original. The stolen
object, art, is now said to 'possess' aesthetic properties. This is
the reasoning of the miser, the thief, and the scientist.
Aesthetic pleasure is the pleasure of the thief enjoying stand-alone,
stolen cultural objects -the divisive pleasure of retaining symbols of
cultural power.
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Date: Nov 21, 2007 13:20
> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind 'coming together' in a
> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
> 'aesthetic' property itself.
Is there no such thing as an aesthetic property?
> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
By 'taken' I presume you mean stolen, and 'from a culture' means from a
culture other than the thief's.
Can you give an example of an Artefact that has not been taken from a
culture? Would it be a drawing on a public wall, for example?
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Author: MillerMiller Date: Nov 21, 2007 13:45
> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind 'coming together' in a
> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
>
> In this sense, where artefacts are said to be independently
> aesthetically beautiful, 'beauty' here is trophyism and divisive, and
> the viewed object reduced to a counterfeit of its original. The stolen
> object, art, is now said to 'possess' aesthetic properties. This is
> the reasoning of the miser, the thief, and the scientist.
>
> Aesthetic pleasure is the pleasure of the thief enjoying stand-alone,
> stolen cultural objects -the divisive pleasure of retaining symbols of ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Nov 21, 2007 15:02
On Nov 21, 9:20�pm, "pico" wrote:>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind �'coming together' in a
>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
> Is there no such thing as an aesthetic property?
No such thing. Aesthetic properties are baubles for the affected,
trophies for the cultural thief. That is why the other legal theft -
the lottery - sponsors art.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Nov 21, 2007 15:01
> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind 'coming together' in a
> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
>
> In this sense, where artefacts are said to be independently
> aesthetically beautiful, 'beauty' here is trophyism and divisive, and
> the viewed object reduced to a counterfeit of its original. The stolen
> object, art, is now said to 'possess' aesthetic properties. This is
> the reasoning of the miser, the thief, and the scientist.
>
> Aesthetic pleasure is the pleasure of the thief enjoying stand-alone,
> stolen cultural objects -the divisive pleasure of retaining symbols of ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Nov 21, 2007 15:06
On Nov 21, 11:01�pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind �'coming together' in a
>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
>> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
>> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
>> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
>> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
>
>> In this sense, where artefacts are said to be independently ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Nov 21, 2007 15:22
On Nov 21, 4:45 pm, "Miller" chartermi.net> wrote:>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind 'coming together' in a
>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
>> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
>> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
>> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
>> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another.
>
>> In this sense, where artefacts are said to be independently ...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Nov 22, 2007 04:33
"John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 11:01?pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind ?'coming together' in a
>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
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>> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
>> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
>> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
>> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another. ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Nov 22, 2007 10:50
On Nov 22, 12:33�pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:> "John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 21, 11:01?pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
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>>> "John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message>
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>>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind ?'coming together' in a
>>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
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>>> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Nov 22, 2007 10:53
On Nov 21, 11:22�pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Nov 21, 4:45 pm, "Miller" chartermi.net> wrote:
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>>> "John Jones" aol.com> wrote in message>
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>>> The art' object or artefact has significance not by its own merits but
>>> by acting as a focus or reminder of humankind �'coming together' in a
>>> particular way, through religion, song, etc. The artefact has no
>>> 'aesthetic' property itself.
>
>>> Artefacts that are taken from a culture are called 'art'. Art is
>>> therefore trophyism, or as Tolstoy put it 'counterfeits' that replace
>>> the true, cultural meaning of these objects with culturally divisive
>>> alternatives that promote privilege in one form or another. ...
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