Les Cargill wrote:
> Jerry Kraus wrote:
>> On May 29, 4:22 pm, Les Cargill
cfl.rr.com> wrote:>>> Jerry Kraus wrote:
>>>> On May 28, 2:03 am, Les Cargill
cfl.rr.com> wrote:>>>>> Jerry Kraus wrote:
>>>>> No. Fascism is simply governmental micromanagement of
>>>>> enterprise. At least Mussolini claimed Fascism to be
>>>>> dynamic, and there's some evidence that was the case.
>>>> By your definition, Sweden is a highly fascist state!
>>>> I think this might come as a surprise to the Swedes.
>>> It might indeed.
>>> --
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>> You see Les, one of the reasons I'm obsessing on this Stalin thing a
>> bit -- it's not that I'm a Stalinist or a Communist, you know -- is
>> that there's so much utter nonsense spouted by people about Stalin.
>> Obviously, he didn't kill 60 million people like Solzhenitsyn says --
>> at least in the sense of "executing" 60 million people, or
>> deliberately killing 60 million people in concentration camps --
>> because his country's population would have gone down substantially,
> It's Russia. How could you tell? Various portions of
> the Russian Empire have been at war with each other since
> Ivan the Terrible. It's a *violent* place.
I would say taking food from farmers would be a fairly obvious hint. The
obligation of government is to its citizens. To prevent internal violence
neither to encourage nor participate in it and never to excuse it.
If you start making excuses for one or judging between excuses then you can
argue for the devil.
>> and, in any case, the people wouldn't have put up with it.
> Old women still have ikons of Stalin in their
> homes. I've seen interviews. It's unnerving - when
> people do stupid stuff, the old women spit and say "When Stalin
> was around, that sort of monkey business didn't
> happen." Then they grin. It's not a happy grin.
And I have seen Israeli Jews who went to Palestine in the 30s with pictures
of Hitler on their walls. PBS did a fine show on it. They have a similar
attitude toward Hitler and know he would have gotten rid of the Palestinian
problem before it started.
I do not see what the opinion of some have to do with you excusing mass
murder for any reason.
>> Sure,
>> Stalin was brutal, but, up to a point, he was also functional.
> That's actually true - although he was one of the coldest,
> most sociopathic bastards who ever drew breath.
And has a greater bottom line than Hitler is accused of.
>> After
>> 1938, Hitler was simply insane. Perhaps due to overdoses of
>> amphetamines from his doctors, I really couldn't say for sure why he
>> was crazy.
> He drank his own kool-aid. Meth is a hell of a drug, and every man
> jack of the inner-circle Nazis were sailing on it continuously for
> years.
Methamphetamine did not exist at the time. He used benzedrine. The US Navy
fought WWII on it. Real meth and valium are the standard cocktail for USAF
pilots flying combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. Benzedrine was a standard diet
drug for children in the 1950s.
But the fact remains that after the war the Allies could not find a single
one of his doctors who would testify that Hitler was insane. So the only claim
of psychosis comes from those who never met him and usually do not have the
professional qualifications to make such a diagnosis. And diagnosing a person
without actually meeting him is a violation of professional ethics.
