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Author: zzbunker
Date: Aug 5, 2008 05:41

On Jun 25, 4:02 pm, Williamknowsbest gmail.com> wrote:
> According to the Merrill Lynch 2007 World Wealth Report there are 9.5
> million millionaires in the world and they control a total of $38.5
> trillion - nearly all of which is liquid and available for investment
> and consumption.
>
> If 5%% of this money was direct toward the purchase of VTOL capable
> capable aircraft, that would amount to $2 trillion - and at $500,000
> per copy, that would be 4 million vehicles.   Spent over a 10 year
> period, that would be a production rate of 400,000 per year.   With an
> airframe lifetime of 10 years - this sizes your factory.

Well, that would be an interesting economic investment if
millionaires knew anything
about aircraft other than Donald Trump.
But, since the idiots don't, that's why the smart money just still
makes,
Cruise Missiles, Drones, Robots, A.I.(+++++), Lasers, non-idiot
Holograms, and DVD+RW
>
> Demand relative to production, sizes your price.
>
> This is given to engineers to achieve price points and volume within
> this 'production box' = there's also the recurring cost of maintaining
> and operating the vehicles.
>
> Fuel and Oil
> Scheduled Maintenance Labour
> Unscheduled Maintenance Labour
> Engine Overhaul
> Airframe Overhaul
> Airframe Lifed Items
>
> http://www.helinews.com/turbinecomparison.shtml
>
> Say, $150 per hour - and you fly 300 mph - that's $0.50 per mile -
> 30,000 miles per year - that's $15,000 - which is nothing for these
> folks.   Costs could be double that - and it would still be nothing.
>
> 4 million aircraft x $15,000 per year = $60 billion/yr
> 400,000 aircraft per year x $500,000 = $200 billion/yr
>
> With highly automated flight controls, which Moller is talking about
> it makes more sense to arrange fractional aircraft ownership, and pay
> just the recurring cost - that way
>
> So, an 'air taxi' that serviced say New York, would fly someone point
> to point say 10 miles - for $10 - and make a decent profit.   This
> could easily transition to a cross country flight - of say 300 miles -
> for $230 - without all the hassle at the airport and such.
>
> So a GPS enabled cell phone would call an air taxi to dispatch an
> automatically guided Moller skycar to your point of call - in minutes
> picking you up.   There'd be a $5 pick up fee - non-refundable - and
> $0.75 per mile distance fee - all billed when you entered your
> destination code during your call.   In fact, GPS derived 'waypoints'
> could be stored on your phone - so that you would just select 'home'
> or 'golf' or 'Laguna Fred' or 'Matt' as you desire.
>
> How many aircars would be needed for this?
>
> Well, here are the sales of the top 11 airlines in the world;
>
> AirFrance  KLM   $31.0 billion
> Lufthansa            $26.5 billion
> TUI                     $24.3 billion
> AMR Corporation $22.6 bilion
> JAL                    $18.1 billion
> UAL                   $18.0 billion
> Delta                  $17,3 billion
> British Airways    $17.0 billion
> Virgin Group        $08.0 billion
> Cathay Pacific     $07.7 billion
>
>   TOTAL             $190.5 billion
>
> At $0.75 per mile this represents a potential market for 445 billion
> miles - with up to 4 passengers - 1,780 billion seat miles - at 50%%
> occupancy 890 billion passenger miles.
>
> Ride sharing options on the software would be welcome ways to increase
> occupancy and reduce passenger costs.  That $230 cost could be reduced
> to $62 per passenger if shared by four -each paying a 'pickup' charge.
>
> Say a Moller based air taxi service penetrates 20%% of this market -
> that's 90 billion miles per year.   Limiting service to 4,383 flight
> hours per year - and an average speed - of 300 mph - that's 1,314,900
> miles per vehicle.  That's 68,446 vehicles. - say 80,000 vehicles -
> 20%% of one years production
>
> One year's production i.e 200,000 vehicles - operated tihs way - could
> displace the airlines for short haul travel - while 80%% of production
> would fill 50%% of millionaire buyers over a 10 year period - at these
> prices.
>
> Of course as prices drop, private ownership of vehicles would increase
> and taxi or fractional ownership would decrease.
>
> A 1/32nd share in a Moller Skycar at $500,000 is $15,625 - that's $150
> per month over a 10 year period.   With 4,000 flight hours divided by
> 32 is 125 hours per year - at $150 per hour that's $1,563 per month -
> $1,713 per month - which is less than the cost of some sports cars.
>
> They could trade hours, at $0.75 -or sell to qualified outsiders for
> the same price, with a $5 processing fee per trip - If they flew half
> their miles and sold the other half at $0.75 - their costs would be
> slashed to $541 per month - which would motivate signing up for the
> deal - since that would allow them to fly 15,000 miles at about the
> same cost as a new automobile.
>
> 2.56 million network owners would support 80,000 aircraft at 1/32
> ownership interest in a program like this.
>
> So, as we range from the very wealthiest of folks to the less well off
> folks who have a million or less, but a decent income and credit
> rating, a program can be imagined for them.  Even at today's fuel
> prices.
>
> http://www.helinews.com/turbinecomparison.shtml
>
> Here's a plane that has VTOL capabilities and a 600 mile range and
> travels at 600 mph.   Of course the cost is 100x that of Moller's
> vehicle.   Yet it gives us a window of improvement we might expect for
> advanced systems in the future.
>
> With aerial refueling, or some sort of beamed power - to increase
> range - if done at a reasonable cost - today's airline/airport system
> would go the way of train stations - as small automated VTOL aircraft
> carried people point to point.
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