Jerry Kraus wrote:
> On Sep 16, 4:27 pm, doug
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>>>On Sep 16, 3:18 pm, doug
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>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>On Sep 16, 2:23 pm, doug
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>>>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Sep 16, 1:54 pm, doug
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>>>>>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 5:14 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 3:07 pm, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 12:54 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 11:46 am, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 14, 4:50 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 14, 4:37 pm, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 13, 11:09 am, "Robert J. Kolker"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 12, 4:06 pm, Rock Brentwood
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 8, 3:20 pm, "Dan Drake"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Church condemned Galileo because he was wrong. But what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neglected to mention is that they were wrong too.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If Galileo had not satirized the Church they would not have condemned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>him. His arrogance, ultimately, was what got him into trouble.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Correct. Dissing Pope Urban was not a peachy keen career move for Mr. G.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mr. G. put all of Aristotle's howlers in the mouth of Simplicio who was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a surrogate for Pope Urban.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, one could argue that all the Church was trying to do was to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galileo to do his job: provide clear proofs and an alternative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>comprehensive theoretical formulation to Aristotle. They were hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galileo would be the next Thomas Aquinas.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HUH????
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thomas Aquinas had to flee an investigation by the Bishop of Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He was excommunicated after his death.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Unlike Galileo, Aquinas was lucky to have lived out his life before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Chuch created the office of Grand Inquisitor.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ummm... Thomas Aquinas was canonized as a Saint fifty years after his
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>>>>>>>>>>>>They excommunicated Aquinas and tried to bring him up on charges of
>>>>>>>>>>>>heresy, but he fled. Just like with Galileo, they have never admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>that they were wrong about the charges and the excommunication.
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>>>>>>>>>>>I think you can take the canonization as an admission of error. Just
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>>>>>>>>>Certainly. And so are scientists. Maybe the Church and Scientists
>>>>>>>>>should work together to correct each other's errors, rather than
>>>>>>>>>simply compete for power with each other. They way they tend to.
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>>>>>>>>Science is looking for truth and has been pointing out the church's
>>>>>>>>errors. They are not interested in correcting theirs. You notice
>>>>>>>>they still push creationism, etc. Scientists look for truth and the
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>>>>>>>As I've indicated previously Doug, you're a moron. If a scientist
>>>>>>>says "it's true", why, you know that means it must be true. If a
>>>>>>>theologian or philosopher says "it's true", why, you know that means
>>>>>>>it must be false.
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>>>>>>>And, I have no doubt that makes perfect sense to you.
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>>>>>>It is because science is based on looking for facts. Religion is
>>>>>>based on a book of folk tales.
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>>>>>And who, exactly, decides the difference between facts and folk-tales,
>>>>>Doug? And why?
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>>>>>And how, exactly, do we know that they aren't making this distinction
>>>>>on the basis of their own self-interest, rather than any real public
>>>>>interest? Scientists, Priests, everybody, why, they're all pretty
>>>>>selfish, aren't they?
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>>>>If you knew anything about science, you would understand. Experiments
>>>>get repeated to test for accuracy. Theories get checked and rechecked
>>>>for validity. This is very different to just reading a book of folk
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>>>And who decides which experiments to do, and which experiments to
>>>believe, and what those experiments mean, and why, Doug?
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>>Your paranoia is pretty sad.
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>>And don't
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>>>you think self-interest is likely to play a role in these decisions,
>>>just like in everything else, Doug? And don't you think religious
>>>people do experiments Doug?
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>>No.
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>>>its own research laboratories staffed by people doing experiments, who
>>>use their understanding of human limitations based on religious
>>>training to help to form their judgements about the results of these
>>>experiments?
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>>Sure they do. Yeah right. Remember that religious training is not
>>compatible with science. The pope gets to declare what is true.
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> Remember that Capitalism is not compatible with science. The rich get
> to declare what is true.
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No, good capitalism is dependent on science. Do you have any idea where
all the nice things you have and use, like the internet came from? They
did not come from religion. You are grasping and straws and
still missing.
