Jerry Kraus wrote:
> On Sep 16, 3:18 pm, doug
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> >>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>On Sep 16, 2:23 pm, doug
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>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>On Sep 16, 1:54 pm, doug
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>>>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 5:14 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 3:07 pm, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 12:54 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 15, 11:46 am, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 14, 4:50 pm, "tadams...@
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>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 14, 4:37 pm, Jerry Kraus
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 13, 11:09 am, "Robert J. Kolker"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 12, 4:06 pm, Rock Brentwood
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sep 8, 3:20 pm, "Dan Drake"
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Church condemned Galileo because he was wrong. But what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>neglected to mention is that they were wrong too.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If Galileo had not satirized the Church they would not have condemned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>him. His arrogance, ultimately, was what got him into trouble.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Correct. Dissing Pope Urban was not a peachy keen career move for Mr. G.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mr. G. put all of Aristotle's howlers in the mouth of Simplicio who was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a surrogate for Pope Urban.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, one could argue that all the Church was trying to do was to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galileo to do his job: provide clear proofs and an alternative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>comprehensive theoretical formulation to Aristotle. They were hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galileo would be the next Thomas Aquinas.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>HUH????
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Thomas Aquinas had to flee an investigation by the Bishop of Paris.
>>>>>>>>>>>>He was excommunicated after his death.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Unlike Galileo, Aquinas was lucky to have lived out his life before
>>>>>>>>>>>>the Chuch created the office of Grand Inquisitor.
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>>>>>>>>>>>Ummm... Thomas Aquinas was canonized as a Saint fifty years after his
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>>>>>>>>>>They excommunicated Aquinas and tried to bring him up on charges of
>>>>>>>>>>heresy, but he fled. Just like with Galileo, they have never admitted
>>>>>>>>>>that they were wrong about the charges and the excommunication.
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>>>>>>>>>I think you can take the canonization as an admission of error. Just
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>>>>>>>Certainly. And so are scientists. Maybe the Church and Scientists
>>>>>>>should work together to correct each other's errors, rather than
>>>>>>>simply compete for power with each other. They way they tend to.
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>>>>>>Science is looking for truth and has been pointing out the church's
>>>>>>errors. They are not interested in correcting theirs. You notice
>>>>>>they still push creationism, etc. Scientists look for truth and the
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>>>>>As I've indicated previously Doug, you're a moron. If a scientist
>>>>>says "it's true", why, you know that means it must be true. If a
>>>>>theologian or philosopher says "it's true", why, you know that means
>>>>>it must be false.
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>>>>>And, I have no doubt that makes perfect sense to you.
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>>>>It is because science is based on looking for facts. Religion is
>>>>based on a book of folk tales.
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>>>And who, exactly, decides the difference between facts and folk-tales,
>>>Doug? And why?
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>>>And how, exactly, do we know that they aren't making this distinction
>>>on the basis of their own self-interest, rather than any real public
>>>interest? Scientists, Priests, everybody, why, they're all pretty
>>>selfish, aren't they?
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>>If you knew anything about science, you would understand. Experiments
>>get repeated to test for accuracy. Theories get checked and rechecked
>>for validity. This is very different to just reading a book of folk
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> And who decides which experiments to do, and which experiments to
> believe, and what those experiments mean, and why, Doug?
Your paranoia is pretty sad.
And don't
> you think self-interest is likely to play a role in these decisions,
> just like in everything else, Doug? And don't you think religious
> people do experiments Doug?
No.
And don't you know that the Vatican has
> its own research laboratories staffed by people doing experiments, who
> use their understanding of human limitations based on religious
> training to help to form their judgements about the results of these
> experiments?
Sure they do. Yeah right. Remember that religious training is not
compatible with science. The pope gets to declare what is true.
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> No, I suppose you don't.
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