On 11 Sep, 16:36, Jerry Kraus yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 3:42Â pm, "Dan Drake" dandrake.com> wrote:
>
>> Again, there is no historical evidence whatever of an intent on Galileo's
>> part to insult the Pope, except an assertion by the Inquisition. If you
>> knew of any, you might condescend to tell us of it rather than debating
>> epistemology.
>
> "Pope Urban VIII personally asked Galileo to give arguments for and
> against heliocentrism in the book, and to be careful not to advocate
> heliocentrism. He made another request, that his own views on the
> matter be included in Galileo's book. Only the latter of those
> requests was fulfilled by Galileo. Whether unknowingly or deliberate,
> Simplicius, the defender of the Aristotelian Geocentric view in
> Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, was often caught in
> his own errors and sometimes came across as a fool. This fact made
> Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems appear as an advocacy
> book; an attack on Aristotelian geocentrism and defense of the
> Copernican theory. To add insult to injury, Galileo put the words of
> Pope Urban VIII into the mouth of Simplicius. Most historians agree
> Galileo did not act out of malice and felt blindsided by the reaction
> to his book.[80] However, the Pope did not take the suspected public
> ridicule lightly, nor the blatant bias. Galileo had alienated one of
> his biggest and most powerful supporters, the Pope, and was called to
> Rome to defend his writings."
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
That's still a nice story, maybe good for a movie, but simply no
"historical evidence" there.
> "Simplicius" means simpler, stupider, dumber, by the way.
"Simplicius" means simple, not simpler. In that context, it stands for
someone who looks at things with simplicity and innocence, not for
someone who is stupid.
> Whether Galileo intended to insult the Pope, or simply was tactless
> and foolish enough to insult the Pope, is a moot point. Â Clearly,
> Galileo insulted the Pope.
Clearly you are not an aspiring historian.
-LV