> On Sep 8, 1:02 pm, Jerry Kraus yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>On Sep 8, 12:28 pm, doug xx.com> wrote:
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>>>Jerry Kraus wrote:
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>>>>On Sep 8, 10:59 am, "tadams...@yahoo.com" yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>On Sep 2, 10:49 am, Jerry Kraus yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>Modern scientists tend to misinterpret the recent rehabilitation of
>>>>>>Galileo Galilei as indicating that Church admits that they were wrong
>>>>>>to prosecute him, at the time. This is most certainly not the the
>>>>>>case. All the Church is saying is that Galileo was not a bad person,
>>>>>>and that his writings, even his satires of the Church, no longer pose
>>>>>>any social threat.

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>>>>>>http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801299.htm

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>>>>>>Jesuit Father Sabino Maffeo, the Vatican Observatory's vice director
>>>>>>for administration, told CNS that Galileo ran into trouble with the
>>>>>>Holy Office because he did not have proof for his claims.

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>>>>>>"Not having proof ... (the Holy Office) was forced to hold on to the
>>>>>>centuries-old concept" that saw Earth as the center of the cosmos, he
>>>>>>said.

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>>>>>>If he had had proof, which did not come for another 100 years with
>>>>>>discoveries made by Isaac Newton, Galileo's fate could have been much
>>>>>>different, Father Maffeo said. He added that Italian Cardinal Robert
>>>>>>Bellarmine, who was part of the 17th-century Vatican commission that
>>>>>>admonished Galileo not to hold or defend the Copernican theory, had
>>>>>>told Galileo "the day in which you bring a demonstration then we will
>>>>>>have to look at how sacred Scripture gets interpreted differently,
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>as long as there is no proof, we will continue to interpret
>>>>>>(Scripture) literally as we have all along."

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>>>>>>What would have happened if the Church had not prosecuted or censured
>>>>>>Galileo? Would Newton have had the same incentive to develop his
>>>>>>comprehensive Copernican explanation of the Universe? Would society
>>>>>>have been destabilized by lack of faith in the Church and conventional
>>>>>>social order?

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>>>>>>What implications does this example have for modern Church criticisms
>>>>>>of scientific theories such as Evolution and the Big Bang? Does the
>>>>>>Church, or other social institutions have some role in integating
>>>>>>scientific concepts into the broader social perspective? Was Galileo
>>>>>>a kind of idiot-savant, not understanding how to fully develop his own
>>>>>>ideas? Is this a common problem among scientists in general, who are
>>>>>>not holistic thinkers, however skilled they may be in their own
>>>>>>speciality?

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>>>>>"Though I thought they [Galileo's views on the solar system] were
>>>>>based on very certain and evident proofs, I would not wish, for
>>>>>anything in the world, to maintain them against the authority of the
>>>>>Church." - Rene Descartes.

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>>>>>Descartes fled to the Protestant part of Europe after Galileo's trial.- Hide quoted text -

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>>>>Nevertheless, the scientific method is a Christian concept, and was
>>>>nurtured systematically by the Church. The notion that scientists
>>>>should always go unchallenged is not necessarily a constructive one.
>>>>The one extreme is Church suppression. The other is academic self-
>>>>indulgence and incompetence. There may be a happy medium that should
>>>>be striven for.

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>>>You apparently have no idea how science works. The point of science is
>>>to look for the truth which is, of course, testable. Scientists test
>>>things that other scientists do. They challenge each other all the time
>>>both for professional and ego reasons.

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>>>Openness gets you truth. The church is not interested in that.- Hide quoted text -

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>>I know exactly how science works, Doug. Professional bureaucrats play
>>political games to drum anyone out of the field who threatens their
>>own position. Scientists lie systematically to advance their own
>>agenda at the expense of their opponents, and don't give a damn about
>>anything except their own power.

>>concerned with power. Truth is a matter of total indifference to the
>>professional scientific community.- Hide quoted text -
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> "the scientific method is a Christian concept"
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> Jerry you are the first person who ever typed that in on the web
> according to Google.
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> You missed the chance to drink some really potent religious Kool-Aid
> at Jonestown.