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Date: Apr 8, 2008 17:38
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Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
unknown but is not necessarily unknowable and therefore one should
withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available.
Weak agnosticism is in contrast to strong agnosticism, in which the
agnostic believes that the existence of any gods is not only unknown
but is also unknowable to humanity. Neither type of agnosticism is fully
irreconcilable with theism (belief in a deity or deities) nor strong atheism.
Weak agnostics who also consider themselves theists are likely in a
state of doubt, though they are not necessarily having a crisis of faith.
Weak agnosticism often overlaps with, and is often confused with, weak
atheism, as both are a lack of belief rather than a belief in lack (of either
knowledge or existence, respectively).
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Author: MerlinMerlin Date: Apr 9, 2008 07:54
what would you do to find out for yourself........
You can only send to a maximum of 5 groups.
alt.christnet, alt.philosophy, alt.agnosticism, alt.satanism,
alt.atheism, alt.psychology
On Apr 8, 8:38 pm, dh@. wrote:
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Date: Apr 8, 2008 19:08
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT), Merlin gmail.com> wrote:
>what would you do to find out for yourself........
There's nothing I can do. If I'm ever going to find out,
it can only be from what we consider a supernatural sort
of experience.
>You can only send to a maximum of 5 groups.
Okay, thanks. So how did you get it then?
>alt.christnet, alt.philosophy, alt.agnosticism, alt.satanism,
>alt.atheism, alt.psychology
>On Apr 8, 8:38 pm, dh@. wrote:
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>> Weak agnosticism...
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Author: Wizard Of OddsWizard Of Odds Date: Apr 9, 2008 08:08
wrote in message news:ot3ov3pcmulof2up8fvtcfh8pt5af9pqhl@4ax.com...
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> Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
> is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
> unknown
>
Wrong on both counts, Goober, agnosticism is not a religious belief like
theism, and this is not about knowledge it is about the rightful denial and
repudiation of religious belief (belief without evidence).
Agnostics rightfully and unabashedly deny and repudiate, as immoral, any
contrary doctrine like Xianity or Islam for example, that there are
propositions like the tenets of Xianity or Islam for example, which men
ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence, as thoroughly
explained Thomas Huxley, who coined the term 'agnostic', in his excoriation
of the Christian belief, "Agnosticism v Christianity"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE5/Agn-X.html
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Author: Tokay Pino GrisTokay Pino Gris Date: Apr 9, 2008 08:28
Wizard Of Odds wrote:
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> wrote in message news:ot3ov3pcmulof2up8fvtcfh8pt5af9pqhl@4ax.com...>> _________________________________________________________
>> Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
>> is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
>> unknown
>>
> Wrong on both counts, Goober, agnosticism is not a religious belief like
> theism, and this is not about knowledge it is about the rightful denial
> and repudiation of religious belief (belief without evidence).
What YOU mean is neither agnosticism nor atheism. It is Anti-theism and
that is something else.
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> Agnostics rightfully and unabashedly deny and repudiate, as immoral, any
> contrary doctrine like Xianity or Islam for example,
"for example" does ring a bell, doesn't it?
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Author: MilanMilan Date: Apr 9, 2008 10:17
wrote in message news:ot3ov3pcmulof2up8fvtcfh8pt5af9pqhl@4ax.com...
> _________________________________________________________
> Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
> is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
> unknown but is not necessarily unknowable and therefore one should
> withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available.
>
> Weak agnosticism is in contrast to strong agnosticism, in which the
> agnostic believes that the existence of any gods is not only unknown
> but is also unknowable to humanity. Neither type of agnosticism is fully
> irreconcilable with theism (belief in a deity or deities) nor strong
> atheism.
> Weak agnostics who also consider themselves theists are likely in a
> state of doubt, though they are not necessarily having a crisis of faith.
> Weak agnosticism often overlaps with, and is often confused with, weak
> atheism, as both are a lack of belief rather than a belief in lack (of
> either
> knowledge or existence, respectively).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_agnosticism ...
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Author: VirgilVirgil Date: Apr 9, 2008 13:32
In article <-qWdnaThC_RpQWHanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
"Wizard Of Odds" nospammicrosoft.com> wrote:
> wrote in message news:ot3ov3pcmulof2up8fvtcfh8pt5af9pqhl@4ax.com...>> _________________________________________________________
>> Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
>> is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
>> unknown
>>
> Wrong on both counts, Goober, agnosticism is not a religious belief
He didn't say it was religious. But that position is a belief in the
sense that it is not something KNOWN, by being backed up by
incontrovertible evidence.
Septic has this stupid notion that all beliefs are religious, though
most of them (things accepted as true without having been personally
verified) are not at all religious.
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Author: Franklin HummelFranklin Hummel Date: Apr 10, 2008 07:01
> Even today, atheism is still frown upon in many circles.
> Agnosticism is much more user
> friendly, it indicates that, who knows, maybe there are things out
> there
> (gods, for example) that we have no idea about; it is much more
> palatable in
> polite society. It is a pathetic cop out.
No, it is not.
If you don't know something, why should you claim you know something
or claim it is something unknowable? How can one KNOW? I do not
know if God or gods exist but I don't know if they don't exist
either.
I'm not quite sure where I would fall of the weak/strong agnostic
spectrum. I do not know if God(s) exists *nor* do I know if it is
possible to show God(s) exists. Thus I am in the middle. I simply
don't know.
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Author: Christopher A. LeeChristopher A. Lee Date: Apr 10, 2008 07:15
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:01:59 -0400, "Franklin Hummel"
world.std.com> wrote:
>> Even today, atheism is still frown upon in many circles.
>> Agnosticism is much more user
>> friendly, it indicates that, who knows, maybe there are things out
>> there
>> (gods, for example) that we have no idea about; it is much more
>> palatable in
>> polite society. It is a pathetic cop out.
>
>No, it is not.
Yes it is. It is a bait'n'switch from belief to knowledge.
The only possible answers to "are you theist" are yes or no.
"I don't know" means you don't know whether you are or not.
Atheists don't have anything to "not know", "believe doesn't exist" or
even to "not believe in" because it is part of someone else's
religious paradigm.
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Author: BretCahillBretCahill Date: Apr 10, 2008 07:33
> Weak agnosticism, or empirical agnosticism (also negative agnosticism),
> is the belief that the existence or nonexistence of deities is currently
> unknown but is not necessarily unknowable and therefore one should
> withhold judgment until/if more evidence is available.
Two sub categories of "weak agnostic" can be based on how aggressively
the "weak agnostic" is looking for more evidence, the "passive weak"
agnostic and the "aggressive weak" agnostic.
The aggressive weak agnostic will leave no stone unturned. He will
chat forever with atheists and theists.
The passive weak agnostic is open minded on the matter but isn't going
to do much to make a decision.
Which one is the agnostic's agnostic?
Bret Cahill
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