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>> On Sep 13, 3:45 am, Paul gmail.com> wrote:

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>>> On Sep 10, 8:19 pm, "bigflet...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
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>>>> Some, because they will kill without remorse. Some because they have
>>>> enough problems trying to come to grips with this life, let alone past
>>>> lives, and some because they are frightened of what they may see if
>>>> they look.

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>>>> Of course there are some who fit the first catagory because they
>>>> 'believe' they will ,as a reward, sit at the feel of Allah.Imagine how
>>>> much more destructive they would be if they had *first hand* knowledge
>>>> of being reborn?

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>>>> No need to imagine. It doesnt happen.

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>>>> The second catagory consists of the vast majority. Regardless of their
>>>> achievements, wealth and general status in life, they still feel
>>>> anxious. Many have been motivated by fear of not achieveing, fear of
>>>> failure (or success), of death of themselves or loved ones, or of
>>>> developing degenerative diseases. They see how quickly effects of
>>>> success dissipate, and leave a hunger, often worse that prior to the
>>>> success.

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>>>> Generally,aspects of not being seen to fit societies expectations of
>>>> what it is to be successfull.

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>>>> Surely , with clinical knowledge of the likes of Brian Weiss, it would
>>>> be easy to regress people and expose them to this level of reality,
>>>> but like most medecine, treating the symptoms do not address the
>>>> cause. Not that this is to do with sickness per se.

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>>>> It was interesting to see Dr Oz , a great humaniterian, doctor and
>>>> healthy sceptic, who having experienced regression with the help of
>>>> Brian Weiss, became far more opened minded, but was still not
>>>> convinced.

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>>>> He fitted a forth catagory. He is so dedicated to his vocation, that
>>>> such knowledge would likely disrupt his life. He simply has enough on
>>>> his plate, and clearly loves what he does.

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>>>> Weiss was of a similar disposition, until a pivotal point of
>>>> experience, when, while hypnotising his patient, she regressed and
>>>> started telling him facts about himself that it was simply impossible
>>>> for her to know. About the death of his father and of a child of his,
>>>> who died at three weeks of age.That experience opened a door, and he
>>>> (if you will pardon the pun) has never looked back.It was 'his'
>>>> experience, more than his patient's.

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>>>> The point here is, although this patient was a 'catalyst' for his
>>>> experience, she, like Oz, did not have a major shift in awareness.

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>>>> The fifth catagory, being those who are "ready" to know, are already
>>>> balanced , can look at all events of this life without much
>>>> attatchment, and as a result, 'quite literally' will have appointments
>>>> which will lift the veil.

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>>>> So now you know why you know, why you dont believe, or why you wish
>>>> that one warring group would prevail over another.

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>>>> Ultimate irony. You can see the past,only when the past becomes
>>>> irrellevent.when you have figured out that everything that ever
>>>> happened, was to take you to the reality of here and now. The blissful
>>>> state of being.

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>>>> Like day to day achievement,or knowledge of past life experiences, the
>>>> 'desire' for either will keep the door firmly closed. Reason, desire
>>>> is based on some sense of future, and future is an illusion.

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>>>> BOfL

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>>> Conciousness ceases to exist upon death.

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>>> When a human is born, it has its own unique consciousness, beliefs,
>>> etc.

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>>> therefore, no such thing as past lives.

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>>> we are no different than plants, insects. born, live, die. that's it.-
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>> You are repeating indoctrination.Fair enough. Thats one of the reasons
>> I posted this thread.

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> To post counter-indocrination?
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> Sean:
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> Direct personal experience and knowledge, isn't indoctrination. Sharing
> knowledge and wisdom and alternative perspectives isn't indoctrination of
> others either.
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> When the two medical biology scientists proved that stomach ulsers were
> caused by a bacteria which could be treated simply with an anti-biotic, the
> indoctrinated scientists and doctors had a hard time believing it. It took
> decades before the new treatment was applied to patients.
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> Jesus actually taught reincarnation as an accepted view, but it didn't stop
> the Christian Churches from indoctrinating their followers that we only live
> once. That indoctrination is so deep in western culture that even the
> atheists still believe it. Go figure! :-)
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> And yes, born as a Hindu or a Buddhist, and one will be indoctrinated by
> that culture into believing in reincarnation. But that does not negate the
> fact that a mature individual still is the only one responsible for what
> they believe, and nor does it stop an individual from proving to himself
> that reincarnation is a reality.
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> So, if one thinks about it carefully, with reason and logic, indoctrination
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