On Sep 13, 10:58Â am, Shrikeb...@
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> On Sep 12, 5:05Â pm, "bigflet...@
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>>> On Sep 13, 4:40Â am, Shrikeb...@
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>>> On Sep 10, 5:19Â pm, "bigflet...@
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>>> wrote:> Some, because they will kill without remorse. Some because they have>>>> enough problems trying to come to grips with this life, let alone past
>>>> lives, and some because they are frightened of what they may see if
>>>> they look.
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>>> On Sep 10, 5:19 pm, "bigflet...@
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>>>> Some, because they will kill without remorse. Some because they have
>>>> enough problems trying to come to grips with this life, let alone past
>>>> lives, and some because they are frightened of what they may see if
>>>> they look.
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>>> Or perhaps we don't have past lives.
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>>> Just a suggestion. Â Hell, we don't even
>>> know if we really have a current life. Â We
>>> could be Brains in a Vat or a butterfly's
>>> dream. Â All this certainty about the
>>> unknowable just makes me cringe.
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>> Ive yet to read anyone with that pov , to write "Hell, *I* dont even
>> know".
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> The sage awoke from a dream he was a butterfly and
> didn't not know whether he was a man dreaming he
> was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he was a man.
> -Chuang Tzu
He 'awoke' from that dream. A point often overlooked.
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>> You do get points however  for 'its just a suggestion" :-).Shows your
>> mind isnt deadlocked :-)
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> Well, my point is that yours seems to be. Â You are
> far too certain about things you could not possibly
> be certain (in my epistemology.)
Suspend your position for a minute.
Given that what Im saying is true, what would be the nature of
epistemological evidence to convince you?
>> When you get to know, you will be empathetic to those who are where
>> you are now. That saves a lot of strife. There is always a temptation
>> to try to inflict your experiences on 'them', and that can be
>> traumatic.
>> Most actually believe we *are* brains in a vat. The vat being skull
>> shaped and made of bone.:-)
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> Heh. Â Yes, but the "Brain in a Vat" reference alludes to a
> well-known epistemological problem. Â If we were merely
> brains being fed simulated experiences, there would be no
> way for us to know it.
Correct. Ill be interested in how ytou respond to my last question.
>Â In fact, everything could be illusory,
> including the idea that our brain is a bunch of grey stuff
> in a skull made of bone. Â The Matrix immediately comes
> to mind. Â The biggest problem with the premise of that
> movie was that the machines allegedly used the humans
> as energy plants, when human beings don't generate
> energy at all. Â They burn glucose.
I wonder , when penning the screen play, did the writer use extra
glucose.Have you looked at some of the Harvard results in the
neurological dept, where specific brain cells responded to stimulus,
befor the stimulus was provided?
To those who know why, it is no big deal, but for those steeped in
current scientific understanding, it is simply too much to take in.
Even with simple breakthroughs, the conservative nature of the
'statusquo' fulfills all epistemological expectation :-).
< Â The machines would
> get more energy burning the glucose directly. Â So I felt
> that a movie made by people who were so ignorant of
> thermodynamics as that probably had nothing to show
> me about epistemology.
The reality lies within the dreamer, not the dream.
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> But as far as reincarnation, I'll leave you with Modest
> Mouse:
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> "Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both live again,
> I don't know, I don't know, I don't really think so."
Thinking doesnt make it so, or not so. "I think therefor I might be"
is a more accurate philosophical position.
I remember posing a question here a while ago "What do you really and
absolutely know for certain". Very little response, except for a few
comments about what I dont know.;-)
> And I find accounts of rememberances of past lives
> completely unconvincing.
What in life, are you convinced about?
BOfL
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