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Author: GatherNoMossGatherNoMoss Date: Jul 24, 2007 07:21
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
And word gets out of a revolt in al-Qaeda.
Seems low level Iraqi recruits don't have the stomach for some of al-
Qaeda's tactics.
For instance, to control a neighborhood, al-Qaeda will do things like
cut the faces
off citizens with piano wire...or boil children to death in big pots
in front of their families.
This to keep people in line you see.
Of course "tactics" like this can't be compared to the outrage !! of
having a West Virginia
girl pointing at one's genitalia as happened at Abu Ghraib...OH NO !!
Now THAT was inhumane !
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 24, 2007 08:42
On Jul 24, 10:21 am, GatherNoMoss yahoo.com> wrote:> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
> nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
> which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
> chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
> better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
>
> And word gets out of a revolt in al-Qaeda.
> Seems low level Iraqi recruits don't have the stomach for some of al-
> Qaeda's tactics.
> For instance, to control a neighborhood, al-Qaeda will do things like
> cut the faces
> off citizens with piano wire...or boil children to death in big pots
> in front of their families.
> This to keep people in line you see.
>
> Of course "tactics" like this can't be compared to the outrage !! of
> having a West Virginia
> girl pointing at one's genitalia as happened at Abu Ghraib...OH NO !! ...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 24, 2007 09:33
On Jul 24, 7:21 am, GatherNoMoss yahoo.com> wrote:> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
> nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
> which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
> chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
> better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
>
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Author: trebbytrebby Date: Jul 24, 2007 10:25
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:21:13 -0700, GatherNoMoss
yahoo.com> wrote:
> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
>degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
>nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
>which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
>chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
>better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
That would describe draftdodgers like Bush and Cheney to a T.
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Author: kmurphy004kmurphy004 Date: Jul 24, 2007 15:30
On 24-Jul-2007, GatherNoMoss yahoo.com> wrote:
> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
> nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
> which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
> chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
> better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
>
>
> And word gets out of a revolt in al-Qaeda.
> Seems low level Iraqi recruits don't have the stomach for some of al-
> Qaeda's tactics.
> For instance, to control a neighborhood, al-Qaeda will do things like
> cut the faces
> off citizens with piano wire...or boil children to death in big pots
> in front of their families.
> This to keep people in line you see.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Jul 24, 2007 15:29
> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
> nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
> which he is willing to fight...is a miserable creature and has no
> chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of
> better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
>
War has been said to be 'hell on earth'. But contemplation of war led me to
realize an even more defining 'hell on earth'.
Consider Espirit de corp. I remember in high school while playing football
[American] that the 'espirit de corp' was high and allowed players to
sustain a high degree of pain while still playing. Broken collar bones,
sprained ankles, blisters so deep one could almost touch bone, all sorts of
aliments and pain...all simply part of the game that players absorbed. Our
spirits were high so we 'ignored' such small pains.
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Author: GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon UtopiaGW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia Date: Jul 24, 2007 16:28
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> On 24-Jul-2007, GatherNoMoss yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
>> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks...
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Author: curmudgeoncurmudgeon Date: Jul 24, 2007 19:15
"Business is War, rather than comparing War to Art we could more accurately
compare it to Commerce, which is also a conflict of human interest and
activities; and is still closer to Politics, which in turn may be considered
as a kind of Commerce on a larger scale."
*Carl Von Clausewitz* (1780 - 1831)
"There are no enemies in science just anomalies"
*CUR*
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 25, 2007 00:18
On Jul 24, 10:15 pm, "curmudgeon" bresnan.net> wrote:> "Business is War, rather than comparing War to Art we could more accurately
> compare it to Commerce, which is also a conflict of human interest and
> activities; and is still closer to Politics, which in turn may be considered
> as a kind of Commerce on a larger scale."
>
> *Carl Von Clausewitz* (1780 - 1831)
Good point. And the weapons of war have changed, which also affect the
'espirit d'corps'. The brave heart, strong right arm, sword in
hand,... no longer cuts it. Now, even women can wage war. They dont
need personal bravery to launch a missile. Or destroy the
infrastructure which supports a people, and thereby starve them out.
And manipulate the media so that nobody looks at it, much less thinks
about it. The *problem* the alpha male have, who have always run wars,
is that they also instinctively struggle for dominance and setup un-
necessarily steep pyramidal power structures that become rich target
zones. The smart women tend to setup peer-to-peer networks that
disperse power across the landscape so that there is no center of
power to hit. Nor leader to assassinate in order to change policy.
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jul 25, 2007 04:31
Your quote contradicts the feeble thread of the rest of your post.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
My ancestors did not fight in two world wars and struggled for the
vote to support patriotism.
On Jul 24, 3:21 pm, GatherNoMoss yahoo.com> wrote:> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that...
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