>> On Aug 29, 11:42 pm, "jeannek...@
aol.com"
>>
>>
aol.com> wrote:>>> ... Sherrie who sent a link about a Cockfighting
>>> film. Thanks for link. I also saw they re-released
>>> it as Born to Kill with nude-dream scenes, etc.,
>>> to make it marketable. Imagine the cheers as
>>> cocks engage...
>
>IMDB linl se sent listed film data; I saw neither.
here they talk about the venice film festival
>
>> I think you might've gotten a hold of a porn film
>> there. Probably to be expected, given your sources
>> and your obsessions. As a kid I enjoyed watching
>> cockfights: I used to go walking all over the place
>> and eventually ended up in what looked like the
>> world's tiniest stadium (turned out to be a cock-
>> fighting stage). Fell in love with it right away: The
>> sounds, the people betting, the birds were weirder-
>> looking than any chicken I'd ever seen before. And
>> the bouts were incredible/spectacular: the bird-
>> owners would sic he two birds at each other a few
>> times (this was done more than anything to give
>> the audience time to place all their bets down) and
>> then they'd let go of the birds... which instantly
>> flew at each other and in a flurry of flying feathers
>> and screaming cackles kicked & slashed at each other
>> -- midair! -- like rippling Spanish Dancers (the
>> famous hexabranchus sanguineus). I don't know
>> how man can get blamed for cocks fighting (all
>> cocks fight). At best you can say that betting is
>> against the Puritan(ical) tendencies of many
>> Americans (cock-fighting is quite legal and a grand
>> tradition in most other parts of the world, and
>> illegal even here only recently). You could say
>> that organized (by man) cock-fights must have
>> been a matter of opportunity taken up by men (as
>> man is an opportunistic animal).
>>
>> I can't remember anything bloody about what I saw,
>> the fight was over when the owner of the bird that
>> seemed to be losing picked his bird up. And the bird
>> itself signaled he was losing by being chased around.
>> I can't imagine that these people would let a valuable
>> (and really loved pet) like their pride and joy champs
>> fight to the death (since, in any case, it would be
>> pointless... given that it was obvious who the winner
>> and loser were as soon as one of the birds "gave up").
>
>You missed the strapped-on razors in those events.
what shape were they?
the equilateral triangle allows for camouflage whereas the isosceles is a bit more revealing
>>
>> I've never seen a dog fight, but I don't think I would
>> want to, even though I've read that the dogs bred for
>> this sort of sport are bred for an even looser skin
>> which can be bitten without it doing a lot of damage
>> to its owner: Dogs are just too savage--even the
>> mere sound of growling is enough to conjure up
>> terrible emotions in us of when we were much frailer
>> and defenceless monkeys up in the highest branches.
>> But I don't really much care for boxing, for example:
>> I can't imagine anything more brutal (all my life I've
>> tried to keep other guys from punching me to prevent
>> brain-damage... and from the earliest developed a
>> powerful punch myself because, let's face it, "to give
>> is better than to receive" ...at least, brain-damage).
>>
>> I suppose you can make anything out of anything. But
>> I've seen documentaries of hen slaughterhouses and,
>> baby, it's something out of the worst kind of Hell
>> imaginable. I've heard tales about what goes on in
>> cattle slaughterhouses which have inspired in me a
>> horror so great it's made me wonder what a visiting
>> being from another planet might think of this one,
>> and its carnivorous apes! But I'm still eating beef.
>> I'm still a carnivorous ape. I think those people who
>> like to pass themselves off as vegetarians are like
>> a sick mental patient who eats nothing but worms
>> ... he won't starve, but I think he's missing a great
>> deal passing up the occasional pizza. Our marrow-
>> sucking era is over. And if you look at the world of
>> ruminants and the world of carnivores it's pretty
>> obvious to which world omnivores like man/chimps
>> (and pigs/et al) would prefer to belong.
>>
>>> Football/boxing do not have obvious goals like
>>> death. Dog/cock/bull fighting do.
>>
>> I can't speak about dogfighting. But bull-fighting
>> (as I have seen it on TV) is certainly nothing like
>> the infamous tales of cows being hammered again
>> and again in slaughterhouses I've heard. And if
>> you've never understood a typical American rodeo,
>> let me assure you that the horses and bulls don't
>> "buck" because they enjoy the applause... it's usually
>> the "tickler" cattle prod or their penises being hard-
>> pincered (or note that the animals keep bucking LONG
>> after the riders have jumped off). And yet we don't
>> see these sportsmen being certed off to prison along
>> with Mr. Vick. This is hypocricy at best, at worst it
>> is a terrific miscarriage of justice against Mr. Vick
>> by capricious/arbitrary post-Puritan)ical) bastards.
>>
>>> Each fight seems a variation on a theme: "mine is
>>> bigger" and the winner lives.
>>
>> This is a typical female obsession about why men do
>> the things they do. Men don't obsess HALF as much
>> as women about penis size (outside of the first few
>> times in the school shower). If you're really
>> interested in why men do the things they do (and
>> women do the things they do)... study the work of
>> Jane Goodall on Chimps. This will tell you why men
>> and women find it so difficult to talk with each
>> other.
>
>I have. Support JG for many years. Explains why your
>mouth is full of no facts, lady...;>
>
>>> This outcome explains to me why female
>>> footballers/boxers seem odd
>>
>> Yes, I myself wonder why there aren't more 400-
>> pound women linemen in the NFL ... and boxers?
>> My goodness, think of how much trouble a 90-pound
>> woman with a 70-pound set of tits would have given
>> Mohammed Ali!!!!!
>>
>>> because theirs is never bigger nor do they need to
>>> prove that, nor do they need to seek slamming to
>>> the same extent.
>>
>> Lady, take my advice, please: A Freudian is what you
>> need. He or she'll straighten you right out.
>>
>>> Pit bulls and bulls have conspicuous genitalia.
>>
>> HOW did you graduate junior high school with your
>> brains so creeped out with all your sexual images?!?
>
>I stopped my doctoral at BU when my son died.
>
>>
>>> Roosters are rightly named; female dogs are
>>> titled: bitch by many breeders.
>>
>> And why, pray tell, did they ever come to name clouds
>> "clouds?"
>>
>>> Animals serving as avatars for those guys less
>>> endowed make sense to them. I imagined Vick noticing
>>> he was such an avatar and acting to displace that
>>> view.
>>
>> Did you also imagine him hot-wiring cars and purse-
>> snatching? And if you didn't, WHY NOT?!?!?!
>
>N/A.
>>
>>> The kill-cheers at all such events are telling. It
>>> is not about the dogs.;>
>>
>> You ARE talking about dog-fighting, I hope.
>>
>>> Contrast such with golf, duels, etc., where silence
>>> reigns and skill plus brains matter. Jeanne
>>
>> AND tight-rope walking, even though th Ring Master
>> always prods (ha!) the crowd to holler at him when
>> he's midway across the rope.
>>
>> Lady, lady, leggo of my leg, lady!
>
>Hey, lady SDR, get your own male dog/cock/bull avatar!t
that's where a painfully gorgeous beauty turns into a meth induced dylan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Frank Kalder
>Newsgroups:
>soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.australian,
>alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley
>Date: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:28 PM
>Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL STUFF - Ancient Beehives | Troop Reduction |
>APEC| Venice Film Festival
>
>
>>marika wrote:
>>
>>. Ancient Beehives
>>
>>> More colony collapse, but in the ancient world.
>>>
>>> Archaeologists Discover Ancient Beehives
>>> Tuesday, September 04, 2007
>>> By MATTI FRIEDMAN
>>>
>>> Archaeologists digging in northern Israel have discovered evidence
of a
>>> 3,000-year-old beekeeping industry, including remnants of ancient
>>> honeycombs, beeswax and what they believe are the oldest intact beehives
>>> ever found.
>>>
>>> The findings in the ruins of the city of Rehov this summer include
30
>intact
>>> hives dating to around 900 B.C., archaeologist Amihai Mazar of Jerusalem's
>>> Hebrew University told The Associated Press. He said it offers unique
>>> evidence that an advanced honey industry existed in the Holy Land at
the
>>> time of the Bible.
>>>
>>> Beekeeping was widely practiced in the ancient world, where honey
>>> used for medicinal and religious purposes as well as for food,
>>> and beeswax was used to make molds for metal and to create
>>> surfaces to write on. While bees and beekeeping are depicted
>>> in ancient artwork, nothing similar to the Rehov hives has ever
>>> been found before, Mazar said.
>>>
>>> The beehives, made of straw and unbaked clay, have a hole at one end
to
>>> allow the bees in and out and a lid on the other end to allow beekeepers
>>> access to the honeycombs inside. They were found in orderly rows, three
>>> high, in a room that could have accommodated around 100 hives, Mazar
said.
>>>
>>> The Bible repeatedly refers to Israel as a "land of milk and honey,"
but
>>> that's believed to refer to honey made from dates and figs -- there
is no
>>> mention of honeybee cultivation. But the new find shows that the Holy
Land
>>> was home to a highly developed beekeeping industry nearly 3,000 years
ago.
>>>
>>> "You can tell that this was an organized industry, part of an
organized
>>> economy, in an ultra-organized city," Mazar said.
>>>
>>> At the time the beehives were in use, Mazar believes Rehov had around
2,000
>>> residents, a mix of Israelites, Canaanites and others.
>>>
>>> Ezra Marcus, an expert on the ancient Mediterranean world at Haifa
>>> University, said Tuesday the finding was a unique glimpse into ancient
>>> beekeeping. Marcus was not involved in the Rehov excavation.
>>>
>>> "We have seen depictions of beekeeping in texts and ancient art
from the
>>> Near East, but this is the first time we've been able to actually
feel and
>>> see the industry," Marcus said.
>>>
>>> The finding is especially unique, Marcus said, because of its location
in
>>> the middle of a thriving city -- a strange place for thousands of bees.
>>>
>>> This might have been because the city's ruler wanted the industry
under his
>>> control, Marcus said, or because the beekeeping industry was linked
to
>>> residents' religious practices, as might be indicated by an altar
decorated
>>> with fertility figurines that archaeologists found alongside the hives.
>>
>>Interesting discovery - and assumptions along with...
>>>
>>. Troop Reduction (Iraq)
>>>
>>>> "Bush, in Iraq, Says Troop Reduction Is Possible."
>>>
>>> I saw him on the news a bit, but avoided most news this weekend.
>>> He surprised the troops by visiting Iraq. I can't wait to here
how they
>>> will handle this on the news satire shows tonight.
>>>
>>Yeah, I'm curious, too...
>>>
>>"US President George W. Bush met with his close ally Australian Prime
>>Minister John Howard on Wednesday to discuss miltary and security
>>ties, as the US military chief in Iraq hinted at a troop reduction.
>>
>>Howard, who has deployed about 1,500 troops to operations to support
>>the increasingly unpopular war and has refused to set any date for
>>troop withdrawals, greeted his friend warmly as the pair met in his
>>Sydney office..."
>>>
>>. Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC)
>>
>>Bush is one of 20 world leaders in Australia for the APEC summit that
>>will take place on this weekend in Sydney.
>>
>>. VFF
>>
>>Venice Film Festival reviews:
>>'I'm Not There', 'The Darjeeling Limited' and 'The
Hunting Party' -
>xml
>>
>>
>>. Multicultural News
>>
>>Here's our yesterday's update:
>>
>>. Beehive Sessions
>>Nice and sort of funnily depicted blog :)
>>
>>> The New Album
>>>
>>> You've heard about it. It's called Beehive Sessions. There's
10 new songs.
>>> We've been recording it FOR-EVER. Like, I think we started recording
it
>last
>>> fall. Fall of 2006. And now we're close. All the recording is done.
And
>>> we've been mixing it. Well, I say WE, but it's actually our
producer, the
>>> Esteemable Mr. Jon Auer who is doing the mixing. And the mixing is
>>> practically done. Today I spent a few hours in the studio with Mr.
Auer,
>>> listening to some of the songs, and tweaking this and tweaking that.
Making
>>> changes so subtle only a member of "Awesome" would ever know
the
>difference.
>>> Here a theremin, there a trumpet.
>>>
>>> Over there a banjo. Under this tree an
>>> accordion. Then add a GONG. On one song we hired the legendary Mark
Nichols
>>> to arrange a string section -- a whole bunch of violins that will BLOW
YOUR
>>> MIND. I mean, literally, your mind, like a gasket or a runny nose,
will be
>>> blown. There's songs about bees and beehives, numbers, telephones,
night
>>> skies, computer memory leaks, a lady named Sherrie, and other stuff
like
>>> that.
>>>
>>Noteworthy: Our minds, like gaskets, may be blown ...
>>
>>> AND IT SOUNDS AMAZING.
>>>
>>> And by that I mean fantastic. Incredible. Spectacular. We're all
very
>>> excited and proud.
>>>
>>> I don't know if I'm supposed to announce this yet, but there's
a CD release
>>> party scheduled. Jon Auer and Sean Nelson (our Double Secret Producer),
as
>>> well Circus Contraption, and even The Half Brothers will all play.
And
>>> "Awesome" of course. It will be a huge totally fun party.
You can wear your
>>> favorite hat.
>>>
>>> And just to add even more exciting "Awesome" news to your
News Bucket, know
>>> this: We're also working on the brand new theatrical/musical
>extravaganza --
>>> in the tradition of Deleware and noSignal. This one is called Here's
What
>>> Happened. It's shaping up to be very fun fun fun. There's a
revolution over
>>> fruit. and a whale. and a search for the fabled Magic Mouth of Geometric
>>> Pentagrams. And other stuff so secret we don't even know about
it yet.
>We'll
>>> be doing the show at PICA's TBA festival in Portland on September
8, and
>>> then in Seattle shortly after that. Keep your ears and eyes open! Loose
>lips
>>> sink ships!
>>>
>>> Posted by David N on Sunday, July 29, 2007
>>>
>>
>>>
>>Ciao, Frank
