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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: John Larkin
Date: Aug 19, 2008 17:47

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:45:47 -0700, "Rob Dekker" verific.com>
wrote:
>
>"Bret Cahill" aol.com> wrote in message news:539db221-8124-4397-8b8e-c89067ada782@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>> Anyone knowledgeable on energy storage technology who gives advice on
>> investing in, say, copper, might be wondering about future advances in
>> battery technology.
>>
>> No one can predict names, dates or improvements but time-profiles of
>> the most plausible developments may be useful.
>>
>> Fix cost/watt-hr and plot energy density vs time.
>>
>> or
>>
>> Fix efficiency and plot cost-watt-hr vs. time.
>>
>> or
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>>
>> Bret Cahill
>>
>
>There seem to be moderate improvements with some breakthroughs in all important aspects of rechargeable batteries : energy density,
>power density, (deep) cycle life, cycle efficiency, cost, safety etc. But it's nothing like what Moore's law does in
>microelectronics.
>
>When thinking about future battery developments, one interesting fact stands out like a sore :
>
>The actual energy density obtained for packaged batteries today is FAR lower than the theoretical specific energy density !
>
>I've long scratched my head why that is. This site talks about that difference briefly :
>http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10595&page=24
>
>I can understand that container, electrode support, connectors, diluted electrolyte, unreacted materials etc would reduce the
>capacity to 75%% or so of theoretical.
>But it's much worse than that. Most types get only 15-25%% of their theoretical capacity !
>
>For example, molten salt Na-NiCl2 cells (ZEBRAs) used to be spec'ed at 90 Wh/kg, recently enhanced by MESA to 120 Wh/kg.

I don't think I want to drive a car that's lugging around a hundred
kilograms of liquid sodium at 300C or so. Or wait two days or so for
it to warm up. Or wait a couple of hours to recharge it.

It's admittedly a little more appealing than a sodium-sulphur battery.

Gasoline-powered cars work great, and don't need to be fixed. As the
price of gas goes up, people will be discouraged from driving hideous
beasts like Expeditions and Escalades and Ram trucks; fine by me.

John
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