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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 18, 2008 20:39
Imho:
Perfectly legal short-selling is seemingly why many/most should not be
in the stock & commodity markets.
I do not know, though suspect that "naked short selling" has been
flagrant because the laws & rules are APPARENTLY easily surmounted and
sporadically enforced
I am not an expert, and therefore shall not claim as fact what I do
not understand well enough.
Almost everybody (401-K etc) is indirectly involved in the stock
markets in one way or another, and some Republicans have actually
advocated that Social Security be dependent on the so-called
"securities markets" of which universal fuddy-duddy Al Gore observed
as "risky,"
The USA banking industry nearly was decimated earlier this week, and
when I linked THE END by Jim Morrison that's some of what I was
whistling by the graveyard in making absurdity out of potential
tragedy.
The federal government has now put some ad hoc band-aids on the ...
cancer, and the major banks stockholders are seemingly less unhappy.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 18, 2008 21:15
On Jul 18, 8:39 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> Imho:
>
> Perfectly legal short-selling is seemingly why many/most should not be
> in the stock & commodity markets.
>
> I do not know, though suspect that "naked short selling" has been
> flagrant because the laws & rules are APPARENTLY easily surmounted and
> sporadically enforced
>
> I am not an expert, and therefore shall not claim as fact what I do
> not understand well enough.
>
> Almost everybody (401-K etc) is indirectly involved in the stock
> markets in one way or another, and some Republicans have actually
> advocated that Social Security be dependent on the so-called
> "securities markets" of which universal fuddy-duddy Al Gore observed
> as "risky,"
>
> The USA banking industry nearly was decimated earlier this week, and ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jul 19, 2008 05:02
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner,
at one of the financials to downgrade the stock, or to publish something
negative, or to have 'inside' information on a litigation, or... dang, so
many ways.
This is very interesting...
> Political fallout from the 1929 crash led
> Congress to enact a law banning short sellers from selling shares
> during a downtick; this was known as the uptick rule, and was in
> effect until 2007.
> President Herbert Hoover condemned short sellers
> and even J. Edgar Hoover said he would investigate short sellers for
> their role in prolonging the Depression. Legislation introduced in
> 1940 banned mutual funds from short selling (this law was lifted in
> 1997)...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 19, 2008 07:01
On Jul 19, 8:02 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
>> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
>> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
>
> To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner,
> at one of the financials to downgrade the stock, or to publish something
> negative, or to have 'inside' information on a litigation, or... dang, so
> many ways.
>
> This is very interesting...
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>> Political fallout from the 1929 crash led
>> Congress to enact a law banning short sellers from selling shares
>> during a downtick; this was known as the uptick rule, and was in
>> effect until 2007.
>> President Herbert Hoover condemned short sellers ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 19, 2008 19:01
On Jul 19, 10:01 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:02 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
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>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>>> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
>>> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
>>> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
>
>> To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner,
>> at one of the financials to downgrade the stock, or to publish something
>> negative, or to have 'inside' information on a litigation, or... dang, so
>> many ways.
>
>> This is very interesting...
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>>> Political fallout from the 1929 crash led ...
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Author: blablablablablabla Date: Jul 19, 2008 20:03
Robert, good issues.
imho the stock market, the money markets, the oil markets, the pork bellies
market, the wheat futures, the gold price, the WTA, the UN, the whole damn
shebang is a load of cobblers bs.
The interest rate settings, the fed, the treasury system, the income tax on
labour, the charging of interest %% on loans being the ability to "put money
to work" is also a load of utter cobblers.
add to that the two party system, the patriot act, the war on terror, the
invasion of iraq, the vietnam war, and the all the usual horseshit that
transpires as world leadership is also horseshite, as is the wars in sudan,
zimbabwe, tibet, burma, phillipines, iraq, afghanistan, kosovo, east timor,
niger, ivory coast, chad, nth korea, solomon islands, brazil, columbia,
venzuela, chechna, mongolia, iran, egypt, lebanon, palestine, syria, saudi
arabia, arab emirates, the artic, the antartic, and china.
almost covers the lot. didn't mention Israel on purpose because it is a
Palestinian land/nation not Jewish, and should therefore be re-invented as a
true non-racist democractic state that respects under the Law the equal
rights of all it's RIGHTFUL citizens. imho of course, your milage may vary.
:)
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Author: blablablablablabla Date: Jul 19, 2008 20:10
"Robert Cohen" msn.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 19, 10:01 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:02 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
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>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>>> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
>>> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
>>> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
>
>> To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner,
>> at one of the financials to downgrade the stock, or to publish something
>> negative, or to have 'inside' information on a litigation, or... dang,
>> so
>> many ways.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 20, 2008 06:41
On Jul 19, 11:10 pm, "blablabla" isp.com> wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 19, 10:01 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>> On Jul 19, 8:02 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>>>> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
>>>> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
>>>> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
>
>>> To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner,
>>> at one of the financials to downgrade the stock, or to publish something
>>> negative, or to have 'inside' information on a litigation, or... dang, ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Jul 20, 2008 11:06
On Jul 20, 9:41 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 11:10 pm, "blablabla" isp.com> wrote:
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>> "Robert Cohen" msn.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Jul 19, 8:02 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
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>>>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:15:38 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>>>>> To profit from the stock price going down, short sellers can borrow a
>>>>> security and sell it, expecting that it will decrease in value so that
>>>>> they can buy it back at a lower price and keep the difference.
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>>>> To REALLY profit a short seller, or fund, can get their bud, or partner, ...
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