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Author: Sean
Date: Apr 29, 2008 20:38

gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e21e1f90-690c-49e7-88a5-007876edf6f8@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 29, 2:26 pm, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." nobull.com> wrote:
>> Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 29, 11:58 am, "Sean" bro.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>news:0ff908be-5aba-406b-83c0-b3db8045fb3a@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>Better have the person who changes your depends also start reading
>>>>>these posts because it is apparent that you no longer can.
>>
>>>>>We are fighting over there so we don't have them attack us over there
>>>>>again. We are not fighting 9/11 we are preventing the next one.
>>
>>>>LOL What's more scary than any potential terrorism, is that you and so
>>>>many
>>>>others really believe what you just wrote.
>>
>>>>>Will we be successfully? I hope so. Of course stalinist liberals
>>>>>like yourself are doing your utmost to make us fail. Almost makes me
>>>>>wonder what side you are on.
>>
>>>>If you really cared about your nation and it's people, you wouldn't be
>>>>so
>>>>damn gullible and ill-informed, and you sure wouldn't be spreading this
>>>>mindless propaganda based on illusions and spin, imho.
>>
>>>>But that's life on planet earth isn;t it? :-)
>>
>>>>Here's another "trick" question.
>>
>>>>Can you describe the Worldwide Organisational Structure of the Al Queda
>>>>Terrorist Organisation and how it operates - and point to clear
>>>>evidence to
>>>>back up any claims as to it's existence and personell, and connections?
>>
>>>>Furthermore .. how does one go to War against something that isn't
>>>>really
>>>>there?
>>
>>>>Here's a clue ... In Vietnam the USA was in a pitched battle to stop
>>>>the
>>>>Dominoe Theory from becoming a reality.
>>
>>>>The problem .... it was just a "theory" ... it wasn't really real. How
>>>>can
>>>>one win a war against some entity or word or theory that isn't even
>>>>real?
>>
>>> It is not necessary that I make you stop hating me (hypothetically
>>> speaking) it is only important that you fear me. The war on
>>> terrorism will be won when the despots of the world fear the US more
>>> then they hate us or more then the fear the terrorist active inside of
>>> their borders. Terrorist organizations can be neutralized (although
>>> not eliminated) by eliminating those that would fund them and those
>>> that would allow them to operate without deterrent.
>>
>>> If we get into a mode were we only attempt to attack terrorist who are
>>> in the act of attacking us we have already lost.
>>
>>> That is unless you have some better method?
>>
>> Yes, son. Eliminate the reasons they want to attack us: our decades-long
>> attacks on them.
>
> Oh so it is that simple is it?

YES .................. oh shit YEAH .... it's that simple!!!!!!!!
> How exactly would you do that? Should
> a simple press conference do the trick or did you have something else
> in mind?

Humility, and an ability to admit prior mistakes would be a great start ...
followed by a sincere apology for errors of the past, and asking for
forgiveness ... and then dealing with these people in the middle east with
honesty and integrity and good faith.

Unlike what has gone on in the past.

Clinton made a great effort with Iran before he left office, and relations
were improving greatly. Then some dumb moron got up to give a speech and
labeled Iran as part of an Axis of Evil .... doh, 8 years of positive
bi-lateral negotiations and fence building down the drain in 3 seconds.
Great job George! Doh!

Do you know why North Korea pursued nuclear weapons ... because they live in
fear, paranoid fear that at any time the USA with all it;s might could
obliterate them off the face of the earth. of course, that is well, an
irrational fear, no more irrational that believing that terrorists hate
America's freedoms and want you all dead because you have a democracy and
aren;t muslim. Totally irrational.

What's rational is what Osama bin laden says, that's rational. maybe
criminal, but it's damn rational. He saw the buildings get bombed by US
naval warships in support of Israel ... thousands of innocents, women and
children killed and maimed, he saw that with his own eyes .... believing in
karma and a desire for the US to feel the same kind of pain he supported
9/11. Sad, but true.

I don;t support him, but nor did I support the US or Israel in lebanon, and
I sure as hell never supported the invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan YES, no
problem.
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