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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Oct 4, 2006 18:56
I think it's intellectually fair to suggest that the Clinton-Monica sex
scandal lead to the Bush Presidency.
Our U.S. political & social culture(s) are intimately related/dynamic.
This latest sex scandal COULD lead to the Democrats to rule Congress
again.
Thus, it's going to be an unusually exciting next 5 rhetorical weeks
with the election in early November.
The Republican-voter base is seemingly discombobulated, because so much
of its reason-to-be has been embarrassingly Foley-gated into harsh
reality.
I was for Clinton's resignation in early 1998 because of some of the
similarity of consequences
which COULD predictably happen now to Republicans.
Hey: U.S. politiks ain't pretty nor intelligent.
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Author: Russ RoseRuss Rose Date: Oct 4, 2006 19:19
>I think it's intellectually fair to suggest that the Clinton-Monica sex
> scandal lead to the Bush Presidency.
Al Gore inventing the Internet, combined with Ralph Nader on the Florida
ballot, lead to the Bush presidency. Clinton would have been re-elected in a
landslide. Americans love to be entertained...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Oct 4, 2006 20:22
Robert Cohen wrote:
> I think it's intellectually fair to suggest that the Clinton-Monica sex
> scandal lead to the Bush Presidency.
>
> Our U.S. political & social culture(s) are intimately related/dynamic.
>
I remember when all that trash was first getting to a noticable smear
level, and then they smeared in on. At the bottom of this note there is
a link to an old book called chain reaction and if you find that book
you will find a description of how american political parties got
connected to (issues) instead of being very similar like they were
before all these other technics. At one time both parties where not
very different from each other.
Politics By Other Means, by Benjamin Ginsberg and Martin Shefter
McNamara, Kevin J.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Oct 5, 2006 06:08
>>I think it's intellectually fair to suggest that the Clinton-Monica sex
>> scandal
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Oct 5, 2006 06:21
Clinton's approval ratings soared after his sex scandal.
Why?
Was it bacause Americans thought a BJ was such a great thing?
No.
Clinton's approval ratings soared because it proved to voters Clinton
was acting in their interest if he pissed off the corp. media and the
GOP so bad they were forced into using sex scandals as a way to fight
economic populism.
The current sex scandal may help the Democrats a little but it
certainly doesn't hurt the ancien regime:
It gets the public discussion off of economic issues.
In America it's always win win for the corp. boss.
In countries that have greater equality of opportunity and wealth,
you'll never see the media focus so much on sex scandals.
Bret Cahill
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Oct 5, 2006 10:17
A provable absolute correlation?
Of course not.
Since this is supposed to be alt.philosophy:
Perhaps we may get some premises/signals/criteria/assumptions of
reality clarified:
History is multi-causal: true or false?
If you think, "false," then that's okayyyyyyy, while you may belong
more at ..
Gore's personality and so forth, of course.
Clinton's various scandals:
I suggest Monica as the camel that broke the Democratic Party's back as
a major contributory factor of its subsequent weakness, including the
ascendancy of GWB and the Party's semi-loss of poltical power
generally.
Yes, the @#$%%^&*()_+ Nader vote in Florida is obvious a la the Perot
vote that divided the Republican types in Bill Clinton versus George
Herbert Walker Bush.
Sex scandal consequence is hopefully gonnabe a two-way street, though I
must also bash it as typically absurd political reality.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Oct 5, 2006 12:48
> Gore's personality and so forth, of course.
Does sanctimony qualify as "personality?"
> Clinton's various scandals:
The DJIA soared 100 - 150 points after every one. It got to be such a
pattern that at one point -- I hope Hillary never reads this -- I was
calling sorieties at USF and asking them to invite Clinton to spring
break.
The girls would ask for his address and I'd say, 1600 Penn Ave.,
Economic activism just doesn't get any more fun than that.
> I suggest Monica as the camel that broke the Democratic Party's back
Monica certainly delt a devastating blow to the corrupt robber baron
media/greedy trial lawyer wing of the Democratic Party.
That's why Democratic Party trial lawyer Jerome Marcus was the
ringleader in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Clinton was undermining his
scam.
If you claim to be a Democrat and to care about working people yet you
have a symbiosis with the GOP, I know how to uncover your fanny.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Oct 5, 2006 17:34
I sense my debate opponent here cannot bring self to acknowledge the
change from "Clintonism" to "Bushism" has had to do less with the "left
v right" than with "secular humanism-culture-morality" versus
...oh...helle...you know what I'm intimating...uh..."reactionary
or traditional family values."
Just for elaborating a little more or expressing my point::
America is a blend of all the above, a pluralistic hodge-podege, often
confusing & contradictory, while what we are.
Russ Rose wrote:
>>A provable absolute correlation?
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>> Of course not.
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>>...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Oct 9, 2006 19:18
> What happened to the good old days when a sex scandal included actual
> physical contact, not all this email and cigars...
That would be a great campaign theme:
Vote for me 'cause I'mmmmmm gonna have some REAL sex scandals!
Bret Cahill
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