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Author: AnAmericanCitizenAnAmericanCitizen Date: Jan 15, 2008 15:42
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:55 -0500, "abracadabra" hotmail.com> wrote:
>> When I learned the pledge, there was nothing about gods in it.
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>> The "under god" addition was added during the anti-American McCarthy
>> pograms, and I, for one, do not choose to allow that evil to change my
>> version of that pledge.
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>I don't get why we are supposed to "pledge" to a flag anyway? Seems like a
>tradition from the 17th century.
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It has to do with love for and pride in one's country. A re-affirmation, if you
will.
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Author: Hugh GibbonsHugh Gibbons Date: Jan 15, 2008 20:55
In article <1igqo318n2atkqtaaddvae9p0kvpv9p0ku@ 4ax.com>,
AnAmericanCitizen earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:55 -0500, "abracadabra" hotmail.com> wrote:>>I don't get why we are supposed to "pledge" to a flag anyway? Seems like a
>>tradition from the 17th century.
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> It has to do with love for and pride in one's country. A re-affirmation, if
> you
> will.
He's got a point. A flag isn't something that can accept your
pledge, or value it. Let's do away with this drivel about
pledging anything to a flag and pledge our allegiance to whom it
should belong, to our countrymen.
I pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to its
people: one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for
all.
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Author: Hugh GibbonsHugh Gibbons Date: Jan 18, 2008 22:30
In article <-OGdnUK9FMMupg3anZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> wrote:
> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>> In article <1igqo318n2atkqtaaddvae9p0kvpv9p0ku@ 4ax.com>,
>> AnAmericanCitizen earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> >>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:55 -0500, "abracadabra"...
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Author: Hugh GibbonsHugh Gibbons Date: Jan 20, 2008 18:08
In article comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> wrote:
> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>> In article <-OGdnUK9FMMupg3anZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
>> Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> wrote:
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>> >>>Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>>>>In article <1igq...
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Author: Hugh GibbonsHugh Gibbons Date: Jan 20, 2008 18:09
In article comcast.com>,
DanielSan gmail.com> wrote:
> Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/19/2008 7:27 PM:
>> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>>> In article <-OGdnUK9FMMupg3anZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@ comcast.com>,
>>> Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> wrote:> ...
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Author: Roy Jose LorrRoy Jose Lorr Date: Jan 20, 2008 19:55
DanielSan wrote:
> Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 6:59 AM:
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>> DanielSan wrote:
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>>> Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/19/2008 7:27 PM:
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>>>> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>>>>> In article <-OGdnU...
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Author: Roy Jose LorrRoy Jose Lorr Date: Jan 20, 2008 19:58
Governor Swill wrote:
> Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> used a stick in the sand to babble
> >>>Pledging to a flag makes abstract what should be concrete. It
>>>means something to give allegiance to the republic. It means
>>>nothing to give allegiance to a flag, because the flag is
>>>incapable of receiving the pledge, just like my wedding ring
>>>would be incapable of receiving a pledge of fidelity.
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>>Its a symbol.
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> I'd rather pledge my loyalty to that which the symbol represents, not
> the symbol itself.
Natch.
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> "Thou shalt worship no graven image."
I don't believe worshiping a symbol is anything other than idolatry.
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Author: Roy Jose LorrRoy Jose Lorr Date: Jan 20, 2008 20:05
Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> In article comcast.com>,
> Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> wrote:
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> >>Hugh Gibbons wrote:
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>>>In article <-OGdnUK9FMMupg3anZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@ comcast.com>...
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Author: DanielSanDanielSan Date: Jan 20, 2008 20:12
Roy Jose Lorr said the following on 1/20/2008 7:58 PM:
> Governor Swill wrote:
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>> Roy Jose Lorr comcast.net> used a stick in the sand to babble
>>>>>> Pledging to a flag makes abstract what should be concrete. It means
>>>> something to give allegiance to the republic. It means nothing to
>>>> give allegiance to a flag, because the flag is incapable of
>>>> receiving the pledge, just like my wedding ring would be incapable
>>>> of receiving a pledge of fidelity.
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>>> Its a symbol.
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>> I'd rather pledge my loyalty to that which the symbol represents, not
>> the symbol itself.
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> Natch.
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>> ...
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