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Re: Time. /My opinion./         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: socratus
Date: Jun 19, 2008 03:13

On Jun 17, 2:39 pm, socratus bezeqint.net> wrote:
> ================
> There are two kinds of time:
> a) the proper (individual) time and
> b) the planetary time.
> They are so familiar that we rarely give them thought.
> Don’t we know, that time for living being is limited
> and the planetary time is absolute for them ? It is.
> But Einstein had another opinion. He wanted to know:
> “ Where does the conception of time come from?”,
> “ What is the essence of time?”.
> And to explain these questions he created two theories:
> SRT and GRT.
> 1.
> SRT explains behavior and the proper time of light
>  quanta /electron. Why do I think so?
>  a)
> One law (postulate) of SRT says that speed of light quanta
> is constant c=1. Second law says no another particle
>  can reach this speed. So there are two incommensurable
>  quantities. Is it possible to bind them together? No. I was
>  taught at school from the first class  that the incommensurable
>  quantities cannot be compared. The connection between these
>  incommensurable quantities is similar to  the decision of a
>  problem: “What will be if the  whale attacks the elephant?”
> We can see whale in a ocean and elephant in a savanna,
> but they never meet and fight in the same “ frame of reference”.
>  And the same is about light quanta and another particles.
> We cannot see them together in SRT. We can meet only the
>  light quanta in SRT and  no other particles in it.
> b)
>  SRT was born from Maxwell's theory and it is a continuation
>  of the electrodynamics’ development . The electron is a main
>  and single hero in the Maxwell's theory and SRT. There
>  isn't the Maxwell's theory / SRT without electron.
> It is not correct to compare electron/ light quanta with another
>  particles (protons…etc) and bodies (billiard balls, satellites,
> astronauts, “twins”)  because they cannot  produce electromagnetic
>  fields. The electron and  the another particles are also
> incommensurable
>  quantities. They are  absolutely different objects.
> c)
>  Every epoch has its own delusion. Maxwell and Boltzmann
> tried to explain electromagnetic fields using balls, wheels,
> cog-wheels, springs…etc. Now we try to compare electron/photon
> ability with astronaut’s  and “twins’ ” opportunities. It is mistaken,
> but what  to do? We do it because this is our way of cognition
> :” From vague wish to the  bright thought”.
> 2.
> So, how SRT explains time from electron/ light quanta point of view.
> a)
>  When light quanta is in state of a rest its  time is frozen,
>  and its own clock shows zero.
> b)
> When photon moves with constant speed c=1
> its time is also frozen, and its own clock still shows zero.
> c)
> Only when photon moves with speed c>1 its zero time
>  changes and limited time appears. In this situation we
>  know  photon as an electron. Photon works as an electron
> and  SRT explains this process.
> d)
> And when , for example, electron emits from an atom and
>  interacts with Vacuum  all its parameters change. Its limited
>  time ends and its own  clock shows zero again.  Now it lives
>  in infinite/ eternal  Vacuum until new incarnation, until its new
>  work, maybe, in an atom (molecule), or in a cell, maybe, in a blade
>          of grass or in a tree, maybe, in an animal or in a person.
> In another words:” We are living beings until Light quanta/
> Electron is present and works in our body.”
> e)
> Trying to understand “ the electrodynamics of moving bodies”
> Einstein wrote that it is the result of time and space changes.
> It is not exactly correct , because these changes are secondary
>  in  SRT. And the first point of SRT is that light quanta changes
>  its spin. The former Planck/ Einstein’s spin (h) changes in
> Goudsmit /
>  Uhlenbeck's spin (h = h / 2pi), and as a result of this act all its
> parameters
> change and the time and new space
> appear.
> 3.
> GRT explains the conditions of gravitation and the secret of
>  planetary time. Why do I think so?
> a)
> When Einstein worked on GRT, he asked astronomers:
> “ What is the average mass of matter in the Universe?”
>  The result was lamentable. The quantity of mass was
> insignificantly small. It was impossible to keep gravitation
> law  with such insignificantly  little mass and so, the Universe
> must be “open”, endless. But what to do with the infinite
>  space, Einstein didn’t know. Therefore he took (from the
>  heaven)  “ the cosmological constant” in order to “close”
> the Universe. The taken mass was enough for creating the
>  condition of gravitation. Without “ the cosmological constant”
>  the  Universe is endless.
>  b)
> In 1922 Friedman wrote, that we could not take  “ the
> cosmological constant” in calculation. Instead of it, it is
>  enough to take “time”  and the Universe will be “closed”.
>   Friedman was correct, but why? Because “time”, by its
>  nature, is a limited  physical quantity and, be taken in
>  mathematical calculation, automatically gives “closed” result.
> c)
> So, the detected material mass of the
>  matter in the Universe is so small  (the average density
> of all substance in the Universe is approximately
>  p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that the gravitation law doesn't work.
> Astronomers and astrophysicists know about this fact and
> therefore (to save the gravitation law) invented new matter
> a "dark matter", a new energy a “dark energy” and another
> abstract objects. This “ invention” is only a result of our
>  mentality , which says: ” If in a theory you meet infinity it
>  means the theory is  nonsense”. It is very hard  to take tha
> t the  Universe is infinite. It is no easy matter to give up
>  a lifetime of habit .
> d)
> On my opinion it is impossible to use GRT to Universe as
> a whole. The Newton/ Einstein's gravitation laws are correct
> only in the local parts of Vacuum. The Universe / Vacuum
>  as a whole is endless.
>  e)
> So, how does GRT explain time?
> According to GRT the time depends on the mass
> and speed it means, of moving matter.
> It means that different masses and speeds can create
> different time. For example, our planet Earth has its
>  own time but for us it is absolute.
>   The other planets have another mass and speed and
>  therefore they have their own time. This time according
>  to GRT is relative. But  their habitants will think their
> time is absolute. But if they know GRT they will
>  not make this mistake.
> =============
>  According to SRT and GRT time is relative.
> SRT says about proper/ individual time of an
>  electron/ light quanta.
> GRT says about planetary time of a Planet..
> The time cannot exist without matter and speed,
> in another words, without moving matter. But
> different reasons and different moving of a matter
>  create the proper and planetary time.
> =================..
> Is it possible to see the different manifestation of
> time in a human being?
> Here is an article “ Even the time is pressed from fear”
> by  Dr. Vadim Chernobrov (collaborator of MAI -
> - Moscow Aviation Institute).
> He wrote, that we usually think time is a constant quality.
> But Einstein’s relative theory says time is relative.
> Question. Is it possible to check it in our life?
> Answer. Russian and foreign researches say it is
>  possible. The documents (secret in the past) testify
>  that “cataclysm of time”, “ phenomenon of time’s
>  perversion “,” the changes (its deceleration) of time”
>  often is observed by people whose profession connected
> with risk: astronauts, pilots, drivers, soldiers.
> 1.
> The test pilot Mark Gallay wrote in his book
> “The test in the sky” when his airplane was caught
> with fire “ the time began to go in another scale. The time
>  almost stopped. Every second took ability of expansion,
> and in this  situation it was  possible to do many things.”
>  He confirms that tested such feeling many times.
> 2.
> The test pilot Marina L. Popovich said the same,
> in the dangerous, catastrophic situations “ the time
> is stretches”.
> 3.
> In June 1989 the soviet airplane MIG-29 crashed near
> Paris, in Le Bourget airport , in the time of its air show.
> The notes of “the black box” showed that during the
>  four (4)seconds the test pilot Anatoly Kvochur made as
>  many operations as in normal situation it would take some
>  minutes. The test pilot later said: ” the time was stretched”.
> 4.
> The captain N.Z.(fought in Afghanistan) remembers:
> “the fly of the bullet was so beautiful that I didn’t guess
>  to evade from it, although I have enough time to do it”.
> 5.
> The sergeant V. Ch (fought in Afghanistan) told:
> “ The black barrel of gun seems very big, even enormous.
> Time is stopped and full silence came. And I moved slowly
> a step a side and the bullet passed close to me.”
> 6.
> Etc…
> His conclusions.
> The people in a critical situation, on the border of death,
> suddenly for themselves begin to see everything as in the
>  slow down film and in this time their speed reaction and
> power increase in tens and hundreds times. And this explains:
>  a) why a man who escaped from wolves, can quickly reach
> up the  top of the naked tree,
> b) an old woman took out a big trunk from her burned  house,
> which later two strong firemen couldn’t rise.
> c) etc…
>   =============..
> My experience.
> The speed on the curve was so fast that I went on other
>  road line and flew straight at the “forehead’ of a green mercedes.
> The driver of the mercedes was in panic. He threw the wheel and
>  closed his face  with his hands in horror. Suddenly the time
>  stopped for me and I made many actions before my car kicked
> only the side back door of the mercedes.
> It was long time ago, but writing this article I understood better
> what happened. In that time most neurons of my brain stopped
>  their electric pulse (time almost stopped) and my Light Quanta/
> Electron in this new condition (superconductivity) had possibility
>  to increase my speed reaction and power on a short period of time
> and maybe saved my life. I must thank Him.
> ===================..
> Best wishes.
==========================
One comment.
=====
Jud:
/My Opinion/

*Time* is a reificational myth - a helpful fiction and the ideative
product of the human brain.
Like *number, movement, speed, appearance, being, energy, force...
*time* is a metaphysical creation of mankind employed in order to
enable him to
interface with other causal objects (other that is - to the causal,
abstracting, reificative object which is ...himself.)

Although utterly unscientific, these abstractions are required in
order for science to do its business of measuring and making
deterministically engendered predictions. Only when scientists grasp
that it is not the * behaviour * of objects that exists - but
* behaving objects* will the big TOE discoveries take place.

Put another way - *time* does not exist ... only (humanly) *timed
objects* exist.

Best wishes,

Jud Evans.
================..

Dear Jud Evans.
I have read your comment with interest.
1.
From one hand, it seems you are right. Why?
There are different definitions: * movement,
speed, energy, force, charge, spin, field ...etc *
The physicists take these definitions as independent
physical characteristics and when some of them say:
“ We are always using these concepts but not
a singe physicist in the world today knows what
they really mean * deep down* ”
/ Book “ ABC ’s of Quantum mechanics”
by V. Rydnik. Page 315./
2.
From another hand, it seems you aren’t correct. Why?
Being a boy and a young man I was beaten many times
or as a Jew, or because I was right ,or it seems to
me that I was right but I was fool. So, I know by
my teeth how the physical parameters like
* movement, speed, energy, force, ...* are real and effective.
And now, as an old experienced man, I came to conclusion that
the physicists were never beaten and therefore they didn’t
know that the physical definitions like * movement,
speed, energy, force, charge, spin, field ...etc *
must be bound with concrete particle (object- subject)
which (who ) is a possessor of these characteristics or can
produce these characteristics. When they understand
this fact the situation will became clear.
3.
You wrote:
Put another way - *time* does not exist ... only (humanly) *timed
objects* exist.
I think to solve your suggestion is like to solve equation:
“ infinity + 1= ? ”
4.
Maybe it is better to take objects like a light quanta or an
electron and try to understand why they are * timed objects*
5.
If you don’t like words * movement, speed, energy, force...*
change them into formulas and write them down, step by step,
for explaining the Existence as I do;

a) T=0K
b) h=c=0, R/N=k, E/M=c^2, C/D=pi, i^2=-1
c) h=c=1, h=Et, h=kb
d) h=h/2pi, c>1, e^2= ahc.
e) etc…
Maybe you will do this work better then me.
=======..
Be lucky and not being beaten in the future.
Best wishes,
Israel.
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